Loss of Faith
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 14:39
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Saying a redesign with more red has communist leanings makes about as much sense as saying Valentine's Day has communist leanings. Or Santa Claus. Or Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Or myself, having just turned my hair a rather reddish color. It's mostly about standing out, giving something more energy, more interest, more passion, more bang for the buck.
Indeed. I for one have never considered Ferrari particularly communistic. And sure, Ferrari DO offer their cars in colors other than red, but the collectible models (and that's pretty much ALL of them) always demand a premium if they're red. It's so prevalent that it's become the color identified with the marque.
Also, the vast majority of Corvettes sold are red. I don't imagine too many Communists drive Corvettes. It's about daring, it's saying "Look at ME!" - it DEMANDS to be seen and acknowledged.
Mike
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I find the new logo vaguely disturbing.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
The new logo, I think it's strange looking. It is indeed an unbalanced and awkward design. Studying to be a graphic designer myself, I have a lot of issues with it.
I do, however, fail to see what anything has to do with communism. Red is a 'power' color. It's been adopted by many, many things. Before CocaCola and communists, it was the British military. It's heat and fire, bright and shiny. It's eye-catching by its very nature, while being easier on the eyes than yellow tends to be. Plenty of products want to be eye-catching, and plenty of products are thus red. Saying a redesign with more red has communist leanings makes about as much sense as saying Valentine's Day has communist leanings. Or Santa Claus. Or Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Or myself, having just turned my hair a rather reddish color. It's mostly about standing out, giving something more energy, more interest, more passion, more bang for the buck.
This is all strictly from a design perspective. I'm going to state right now that it's not my intention to attack anyone, I just don't see the connection here to anything but a weird redesign in hopes of drawing more attention. The bottles and cans, it should be noted, are still the trademark Pepsi blue. Mountain Dew, probably their most successful product, has also undergone a redesign, though not nearly as noticeable. It's also maintained its green and red color scheme. (I have never related Mountain Dew to Christmas)
Color is important in the marketing and design world. Clearly, color has power. People will relate colors to different things in their life, be it a sports team or a soft drink or a political agenda. But really, the main goal is to be recognizable, in whatever way you hope to be recognized.[/sig]
Well said. The same general design principles of simplicity, and easy to read, go with the use of the circle. If you have that simple shape and only those 3 colors chances are you are going to come up with designs that look similar - there's not a lot of room for complexity.
My question about the Pepsi logo: wtf is it? What is it suppose to suggest or imply? I see a sailboat. As you say PR, it is unbalanced and awkward in the same way that AT&T's blue continuos fruit peel logo is - it's not a circle.
Flashback - Remember Lucent's bloody donut?
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PHOENIXROSE
The new logo, I think it's strange looking. It is indeed an unbalanced and awkward design. Studying to be a graphic designer myself, I have a lot of issues with it.
I do, however, fail to see what anything has to do with communism. Red is a 'power' color. It's been adopted by many, many things.
You're quite right. Red is adopted by many. The communist govt. is particularly attracted to flattery and symbolism. Many other Chinese cultures have used a lot of red, it's pretty common.
Maoism has its own special fixations and phobias though, and you can watch present day communist china react to them. Take for instance, Tibet. Or the Cantonese language. The use of the term Uygar, or the existance or practice of Uygar animism, or Uygar communities, which should only be referred to by their Manderin name "Xinjiang."
If you followed the olympics, or the Taiwan issue, you saw this sort of obsessive attention to this sort of thing.
Taoism, the Tao te Ching, and all things related were deemed counter-revolutionary, for the reasons I stated, and banned. The ban only lasted a few years because it threatened to lead to a revolution, since there are about a quarter billion Taoists in China.
Now it's just discouraged, and the new pseudo confucianism and fabricated selective culture is state supported, to dissuade the Chinese into thinking this is their only natural way.
Family members, by marriage, were in the revolution, and now live under communism. Two were tortured, one for 20 years. It's an intensely oppressive govt.
Anyway, so the symbol would be offensive to them, and they would react negatively to it. One with red domination is going to find an easier home in China today.
This has nothing to do with red, it has to do with the hangups of the Chinese govt., which are as complicated and touchy as the hangups of Sunni Islam, or a handful of ultra touchy societies.
It's a marketing trick, no doubt about it. I caught the obama-mimicking. Also, the removal of yin yang in favor of the red dominance. I thought with Coke having such a large share of such a large market, there might be communist appeasement in that.
I wasn't looking to start a war.
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Well said. The same general design principles of simplicity, and easy to read, go with the use of the circle. If you have that simple shape and only those 3 colors chances are you are going to come up with designs that look similar - there's not a lot of room for complexity.
My question about the Pepsi logo: wtf is it? What is it suppose to suggest or imply? I see a sailboat. As you say PR, it is unbalanced and awkward in the same way that AT&T's blue continuos fruit peel logo is - it's not a circle.
Flashback - Remember Lucent's bloody donut?
A surfable wave, or Obama on a roll.
Possibly a bagel
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:Quote:
PHOENIXROSE
The new logo, I think it's strange looking. It is indeed an unbalanced and awkward design. Studying to be a graphic designer myself, I have a lot of issues with it.
I do, however, fail to see what anything has to do with communism. Red is a 'power' color. It's been adopted by many, many things.
You're quite right. Red is adopted by many. The communist govt. is particularly attracted to flattery and symbolism. Many other Chinese cultures have used a lot of red, it's pretty common.
And was for hundreds of years before the idea of communism even started to speculate about crossing someone's mind is all.
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Mike,
That's not the point. It's not the color Red who is potentially making decisions, it's the govt. of China
Remember the Iraqi reaction to the use of light blue on the flag? They instantly identified it as Israeli imperialism.
It wasn't Light blue that was complaining, and the world remained full of light blue being not jewish, like in Swedish and Finnish flags, and many other things. But the Iraqis took issue with it.
Now imagine if we had built our new govt. in Baghdad in a new building shaped like the Star of David?
I wasn't saying necessarily this was the case, just offering the possibility. I don't think it's that insane. The Chinese govt. has flown off the handle about much smaller things.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Dreamtrove. You are either lying, or you are a fucking lunatic. I really don't care which.
Why does it have to be "either...or".
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Why does it have to be "either...or".
He's adamant that I said things I didn't say, and then deleted them, something I didn't do. He either truly believes what he is saying, in which case he is delusional, or he doesn't, in which case he is saying something he knows is not true, which is lying. I see no other possible options.
Well, I suppose he could be Lying AND a fucking lunatic?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Oh caveman, you're not helping.
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