Case for the 2nd Amendment made clear for all
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 19:46
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Believe me, DT, I got plenty of examples where my very ass was saved by that tiny little popgun I carry, the most recent of which was against a corrupt cop about to eat his fair share of criminal charges and quite pissed about it.
Admittedly that was partially the fault of the guy from another agency who was supposed to be there first but got tied up and was a bit late, but still, had I not been armed, things might have turned out differently.
I DO favor it, but for those who like to split hairs, I am far more in favor of self-defense than weapons use or possession, all the weapon does is level the field against bad odds or a larger, stronger aggressor.
But it's the ACT of resistance that is important, and the vilification of self-defense is in my eyes just serving the members of civilization to those who would prey upon them pre-sliced and ready for consumption.
The young girl in your example did it right, she did meekly call 911 and wait passively for the police - she acted in self-defense, something I've caught hell for so many times I happen to be pretty bitter about it, I mean... when you defend your life and/or property with a minimum of force or the mere threat of it, and YOU wind up in court for daring to do so, or have the PERP call the cops on you in an attempt (which damn near worked) to have you disarmed while they're STANDING ACROSS THE STREET LAUGHING, in preparation to make a second attempt to steal your property when it happens....
You tend to get a little bit of an attitude about stuff like this.
Just imagine if your young friend there wound up doing a little *time* for assault and battery, cause it happens, especially in MD, which is one reason I left that hellhole and moved to a more sensible place to live.
Cause of that, I have very little respect for society and the law's concept that self-defense is an evil, criminal, despicable act, and over time that lack of respect has evolved into downright misanthropy.
It's the action that's important, but the tool determines the success or failure of the action too much to be dismissed as irrelevant, and is something therefore that should not be removed as a factor.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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BM
That's what the articles of confederation did. There was no need for a national military, there were the militias, now called the national guard, and like NATO, were required to unite for national defense. But there should be a structure that overarchs and protects against interference.
Oh, and I'm getting tired of the conversational necessity to suck up to soldiers. We've all had friends who fought and died, and we know there are many on this board, but our politicians have made this rhetoric old and hollow, not meaning to bust your chops for it. We all get the drill I hope.
Frem.
Terse is nice. I get your point, I've seen some strange things, but the abuse of police power esp. in cities is obscene. You tend not to see that out here. Probably because there are about 1,000 armed citizens or more per police officer.
No need to rant. No attitude here. Just pointing out what other people don't want to admit. As I said, I have dozens of other stories to share, right at the moment, I'm way too tired. Maybe tomorrow.
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In case anyone was wondering about stories of guns being used in self defense...
Here you go:
http://www.kc3.com/self_defense/Self_Defense.htm
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Ah, yes, example can be pulled out to support any case under the sun. Which is why I was shattering the romantic illusion of the gun. It's an illusion flaunted by its defenders, and glorified in the media everywhere you turn. It's a fantasy as real as any other, which is to say, occassionally.
But anecdotally, I just can't come up with one. Any of you ever shot someone and saved lives by doing so? Outside of say, a war? I mean, exercising that second amendment right.
Here's a story. A guy around here, neighbor of my sister's. a hunter, kept a gun on the mantle. He had hired a contractor to come and work on his house. The guy and his wife both worked, so they gave the contractor a key, so that they could lock the place up when they left. Locks, too, have their defenders, they're normally pretty rare around here.
Anyway, so it goes, one night the son of the contractor took the key from his fathers room, and went to this guy's house, unarmed, he used the key, no breaking and entering, to come in, and steal the flat screen TV. Taking the TV made a racket, and the owner's wife woke up and went downstairs to see what was making the noise. The kid put down the TV and took the gun from the mantle, and shot her in the head, then took the TV and left.
I think it didn't go something like this:
Kill my love, take my stuff
Let me make this my last stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take this gun from me.
I have, as I said, no end of these. Not arguing against the 2nd amendment, just using this fantasy picture of the heroic defender for target practice. Hope you don't mind if by exercising that first amendment right, I might shoot a few holes in it.
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Thats fine.
But its like anything. I'd rather have the means of protection available to me when I needed it, than to be a sheep when the animals come.
I sleep with my tools-of-defense under my bed every night. In the morning, before work, I lock them up tight.
Again, just in case.
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One evening I was sitting in my car in the parking lot of a Kroger’s. My then girlfriend came out of the Kroger’s with whatever she bought and returned to the car. She was followed by about 5 rough dudes who were obviously drunk and sporting gang paraphernalia. They approached the car in an aggressive posture and one of them said something like “get out of the car.” I pretended to ignore them, but as they approached I reached down and pulled out my firearm, which remained in its holster and simply rested my arm with the firearm/holster on the window frame. Like magic, because it would have to be magic since some of you can’t possible believe a firearm could provide any defense at all, the 5 yutes turn and scuttled off.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"yutes"
My Cousin Vinnie - one of my all-time favorite comedies, after Airplane, of course.
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Silence is consent.
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Wulf
No issue with that. A somewhat funny story. This woman who slept with a gun under her pillow, once accidentally shot her husband in the head. He survived, and was okay, and now they're still married.
"sorry about that hun"
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Quote:Yeah. One of mine too. I love shows about idiots that succeed.
Originally posted by rue:
"yutes"
My Cousin Vinnie - one of my all-time favorite comedies, after Airplane, of course.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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