Map of the Verse discussion
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Regarding the Hands of Blue at the end of episode The Train Job:
They state they traveled 86 million miles to get to Ezra, but they imply it is a great distance.
This is less than an Au, about 0.934 Au. This distance from Ezra includes only Regina and it's moon Alexandria, so the Hands of Blue must have come from one of them. It would have taken Serenity under 4 hours to travel this distance at maximum acceleration & deceleration, and Alliance Operative craft might be quicker than a mid-size cargo transport vessel.
The next nearest orbiting would be Boros, which cannot come closer than 1.125Au to Ezra in their orbits, so they did not come from there - unless they were in mid-course to elsewhere and then diverted to Ezra. Boros would make sense because Dobson would have mentioned this as the itinerary in his signal during Pilot Serenity. Our BDH may have never gone to Boros (Book was more interested in the trip than the destination, the Tams may not be interested in going someplace Dobson keyed their pursuers into), thus Hands of Blue never intercepted them there.
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There is a 'Kowloon City' in the Firefly Online Game on Jiangyin's moon 'Tongyi'. Closest thing to Kowlon or Kowlonshi that I've found so far.
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Quote:I was thinking I just heard it mentioned in Safe. Where Badger wanted them to drop off the loot from the cattle smuggling. Right after Mendenhall released them with fixed up Book.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
I spoke with the creative forces at Margaret Weis Productions and the name Kowlonshi doesn't appear in an materials they have access to under their license for Firefly. Evidently, it's only on the Serenity extras, which begs the question, did Universal make it up, or did Joss lend that tidbit to them while working on the film?
I'm going to chase some more leads.
Perhaps they derived it from the script mention of Kowlon Fed Base in the Pilot, which I think never got to the screen. Just a possibility I had considered.
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Well…we had a little 'development'.
I asked Tim if he'd consider choosing a home planet for Kaylee, since Kowlonshi was never added to the Official Map of the Verse as a world, and no mention of it appears anywhere else but the bluray.
This lead to a discussion about the Red Sun System, since Mal mentions that they have work waiting for them on Paquin, a planet around the Heinlein protostar.
Long story short…Tim said this…
"You haven't detected Kaylee's Farradian accent? Seems so pronounced to me."
Now, this might be Tim being purposely vague, since FOX owns the rights and he may have no room to add canon where none exists. Setting that aside, let's discuss.
There is a Farraday in the Red Sun System. It's a moon of Harvest, along with Higgin's Moon. If this is where Kowlonshi is, then Kaylee grew up relatively near to Canton (or Jaynestown), but as it's implied that Jayne became a crew member after Kaylee, so the discussion of Canton likely never came up before the episode about Mudder's and Jayne's part in all of that.
It also improves the mythos, because it limits the whole 'Hero of Canton' to a narrow perspective and to the narrative of that episode and moon. Jayne never mentioned it before and no one knew about it.
Farraday is also an interesting choice, because it has a very small population and it's referred to as a 'prairie' world, so Mal's 'prairie harpy' comment ties well to Farraday. This would also mean that Kowlonshi is a place on a world and not a world itself. In short, it's a small, backwater 'rock' with prairie and a small population.
Thoughts?
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Quote:Well, I have never visited Luna, so it's just like it's own world there.
Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:
Well…we had a little 'development'.
I asked Tim if he'd consider choosing a home planet for Kaylee, since Kowlonshi was never added to the Official Map of the Verse as a world, and no mention of it appears anywhere else but the bluray.
This lead to a discussion about the Red Sun System, since Mal mentions that they have work waiting for them on Paquin, a planet around the Heinlein protostar.
Long story short…Tim said this…
"You haven't detected Kaylee's Farradian accent? Seems so pronounced to me."
Now, this might be Tim being purposely vague, since FOX owns the rights and he may have no room to add canon where none exists. Setting that aside, let's discuss.
There is a Farraday in the Red Sun System. It's a moon of Harvest, along with Higgin's Moon. If this is where Kowlonshi is, then Kaylee grew up relatively near to Canton (or Jaynestown), but as it's implied that Jayne became a crew member after Kaylee, so the discussion of Canton likely never came up before the episode about Mudder's and Jayne's part in all of that.
It also improves the mythos, because it limits the whole 'Hero of Canton' to a narrow perspective and to the narrative of that episode and moon. Jayne never mentioned it before and no one knew about it.
Farraday is also an interesting choice, because it has a very small population and it's referred to as a 'prairie' world, so Mal's 'prairie harpy' comment ties well to Farraday. This would also mean that Kowlonshi is a place on a world and not a world itself. In short, it's a small, backwater 'rock' with prairie and a small population.
Thoughts?
Jayne himself didn't know Canton was anything other than a place he screwed up at, or all of Higgins Moon forvthat matter.
If Mal bought Serenity about 5 years before OoG, then Kaylee was likely aboard before 2 - 3 years ago, when Jayne looted Higgins. I forget how long before Jaynestown that was. So, Kaylee would not have heard of Jayne or the incident.
I feel like we should announce somehow this info about Kaylee's home. But I don't want to get Tim in trouble.
Do you think Kowlon Fed Base would also be on Farraday? The whole rest of Safe took place in Red Sun System.
Now I'm thinking it a little weird that when departing Jaynestown, or heading for Kowlon Fed Base, no mention was made of Kaylee visiting her home.
Mal cannot visit his home on Shadow. Zoe was born in space. Wash seems unnostalgic about his home. Kaylee seems the most likely to want to visit her home.
I forget if Kaylee said she'd never been on any spaceship, or just not a Firefly. In OoG. It's not unusual to know how to fix craft but never travelled in it. I've repaired F/A-18s, F-4s, A-4s, A-6s, but never ridden in one. Probably have flown in B737, B747, B727, DC-10, DC-9, MD-80, L-1011, A300, A320, but not sure of all.
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I must remember to update my posts about Ita Moon and Kowlonshi on Farraday.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I feel like we should announce somehow this info about Kaylee's home. But I don't want to get Tim in trouble.
I'm releasing it slowly about as more of a hint than canon.
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Do you think Kowlon Fed Base would also be on Farraday? The whole rest of Safe took place in Red Sun System.
I think it's very likely.
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Now I'm thinking it a little weird that when departing Jaynestown, or heading for Kowlon Fed Base, no mention was made of Kaylee visiting her home.
That doesn't bother me, because there's time in between all the episodes where 'life' takes place, even though it isn't directly mentioned in the narrative.
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I've shared it about on Facebook, especially on the Verse in Numbers page, and it's been well received. I love filling in missing pieces of the Verse.
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Thinking about anther thread, I now wonder if Shadow was so named because at the time of Terraforming, the world was in the shadow of another body, or protostar. Now that we know how slow bodies move in The Verse, I shoudl revisit this possibility.
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