Question about the planet Miranda
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Unfortunately a lot of people have already forgotten about the World Trade Center being attacked on 9/11 or think it was a conspiracy.
Collectively our memories are short and if it disappeared from the history books few would remember. See also Hitler's and Stalin's rewrite of history.
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Why are people asserting Miranda was erased from the database? River found it on the Cortex, right? Or am I missing something here?
"History is written by the winners" - deleted scenes.
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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Unfortunately a lot of people have already forgotten about the World Trade Center being attacked on 9/11 or think it was a conspiracy.
Seriously??
I find this hard to believe. Not the conspiracy part, necessarily, but the forgetting part. What is this based on?
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Why are people asserting Miranda was erased from the database? River found it on the Cortex, right? Or am I missing something here?
"History is written by the winners" - deleted scenes.
Wash: "Nothing about it on the Cortex. History, Astronomy, it's not in there."
I think River knew it would take her time to find some kind of special map where the planet would be depicted, if not labled as Miranda.
Mal recognizes it as a "black rock", so he must be aware of something existing in those regions of space ("the Burnham Quadrant") but he cannot make the connection to the name Miranda because the name has been erased.
It wasn't in the public consciousness for very long and it's been maybe 12 years since then. Mal was maybe 20 around the time and busy with other things so the name means nothing to him. Even Kaylee remembering it is a marvel, considering she was maybe 12 to 15 when the report got out, younger still when that call for workers to settle there got out. Maybe she only remembers because her family considered moving there and it would have been a big change in her young life.
On another subject:
I find it more and more likely that the war happened when it did to distract from Miranda. I'm sure it would have happened eventually, but the timing suggests it was started earlier than perhaps planned, explaining why it lasted so long and contained blunders that allowed the Independents to hold on to hope for such a long time. Destroying Shadow might not have happened if the war had been fully planned out by the Alliance when it was started.
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I don't really understand why the Alliance added the PAX to the atmo processors in the first place. They didn't add it in on any other planet, so why just Miranda? In Train Job, Sherriff Bourne says that ALL planets have some "bug" created by terraforming. We see no evidence of that on any other planet or moon. It was a minor plot point that Joss put in that "pilot" that he had to write over a weekend, and he didn't address it again until the BDM. And when the PAX started to "take effect" you'd think that everyone wouldn't develop the same deadly lethargy at the same time and degree. Surely there must have been some that called out to someone off-planet for help, not realizing what was happenning to them.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
I don't really understand why the Alliance added the PAX to the atmo processors in the first place. They didn't add it in on any other planet, so why just Miranda?
It was an experiment, obviously. They used the settlers for guinea pigs.
Mind, I think it's a big plot hole, as they would certainly have been intelligent enough to test the PAX on smaller groups before. Maybe it was a dosage issue they didn't plan for.
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In Train Job, Sherriff Bourne says that ALL planets have some "bug" created by terraforming. We see no evidence of that on any other planet or moon. It was a minor plot point that Joss put in that "pilot" that he had to write over a weekend, and he didn't address it again until the BDM.
I think those are two different things.
The "bugs" on other planets are unintentional side effects and limited to specific, contained locations, like the mines in Paradiso.
Miranda was an intentionally added chemical with un expected side effects.
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And when the PAX started to "take effect" you'd think that everyone wouldn't develop the same deadly lethargy at the same time and degree. Surely there must have been some that called out to someone off-planet for help, not realizing what was happenning to them.
I think this, too, falls in the category of plot hole. Unless they released the PAX very suddenly and it DID take very quick and immediate effect.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Miranda was an intentionally added chemical with un expected side effects.
Maybe the "good intentions" cover was just a ploy. After all, doctors and scientists are rarely in authority to make decisions, but they are typically in positions to be expolited by the military or evil-doers. Perhaps Miranda was a military "experiment" that turned out exactly as they hoped, something to be used in the future to destroy entire planetary populations with.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Miranda was an intentionally added chemical with un expected side effects.
Maybe the "good intentions" cover was just a ploy. After all, doctors and scientists are rarely in authority to make decisions, but they are typically in positions to be expolited by the military or evil-doers. Perhaps Miranda was a military "experiment" that turned out exactly as they hoped, something to be used in the future to destroy entire planetary populations with.
It seems like an irrational waste of ressources, though. An entire planet! All these people! The experiment could have been conducted on a smaller scale. Or with people who aren't loyal to the Alliance. The Alliance wants to rule people, not engage in genocide. They're misguided in their overcontrolling ways, not megalomalical murderers like the nazis. There is no evidence for such an assumption.
Not to mention, what hostile planet would allow anyone near their air processors to fiddle with them and put in chemicals? Doesn't want to make sense.
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OK, the military thing is a bit far-fetched, but what else then? They wanted to "calm" the population on Miranda? Why? Where these people any different than the billions on the other worlds? Looks like they had a nice civilized world. Why not "test" the Pax on Jianying, Triumph, or Beaumond, which were much more rustic and less populated?
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
OK, the military thing is a bit far-fetched, but what else then? They wanted to "calm" the population on Miranda? Why? Where these people any different than the billions on the other worlds? Looks like they had a nice civilized world. Why not "test" the Pax on Jianying, Triumph, or Beaumond, which were much more rustic and less populated?
Miranda was new and less established, less known. And look at how advanced it is. Dozens of shiny-rich cities like the one they entered? That's no common new settler world. That's an Alliance Border pet project. Lots more access for them to meddle than on the Independent planets usually found on the Border or Rim. IF we have to swallow that they experimented on a whole planet, then Miranda's the ideal place.
Plus, they spread it through the air processors. Try getting close to those on a place like Jiangying. Even if it is near uncivilized in most places, the terraforming equipment would have to be under constant surveilence by trained professionals.
They didn't want to calm the population of Miranda specifically. Miranda was simply the best possible place for their experiment. Likely they were hoping to show off this beacon of civilization to the Independent planets once the PAX had made everyone on Miranda peaceful and happy 24/7.
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