New NASA moon rocket can't fly
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Aries rocket can't reach Earth orbit, can't even get off the launch pad, much less land men on the Moon "again".
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Obama Clashes With NASA Moon Program
The space agency's transition to an Obama presidency is not going smoothly, and the future of the moon program is uncertain.
NASA Administrator Michael Griffin is not playing nice with the Obama transition team, according to a post by Robert Block of the Orlando Sentinel. He reports that Griffin is resisting efforts by former NASA associate administrator Lori Garver, who heads Obama's space transition team, to "look under the hood" of the space program. Griffin has also reportedly instructed aerospace industry representatives to say only good things about NASA's plans for returning humans to the moon.
The current program calls for retiring the space shuttle in 2010 and sending the yet-to-be-built Ares I rocket and Orion capsule to the moon by 2020. But as Block reports elsewhere in the Sentinel, Ares is in serious trouble. It may not be powerful enough to boost Orion into orbit, and engineers are concerned that the rocket may crash into its support tower during liftoff.
Some engineers are recommending that Ares be canceled, and Garver's team has inquired about how much money could be saved by doing so. Even if the Obama administration chooses to stay the course on Ares, there is little doubt that change is coming to NASA.
www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2008-12/chicago-we-
have-problem
NASA moon rocket may shake too much
Issue not expected to delay goal of returning astronauts to moon by 2020.
NASA is wrestling with a potentially dangerous problem in a spacecraft, this time in a moon rocket that hasn't even been built yet.
Engineers are concerned that the new rocket meant to replace the space shuttle and send astronauts on their way to the moon could shake violently during the first few minutes of flight, possibly destroying the entire vehicle.
"They know it's a real problem," said Carnegie Mellon University engineering professor Paul Fischbeck, who has consulted on risk issues with NASA in the past. "This thing is going to shake apart the whole structure, and they've got to solve it."
Senior managers were told of the findings last fall, but NASA did not talk about them publicly until the AP filed a Freedom of Information Act request earlier this month and the watchdog Web site NASA Watch submitted detailed engineering-oriented questions.
The response to those questions, given to both NASA Watch and AP, were shared with outside experts, who judged it a serious problem.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22735324/
Josh Poet of UFOetry with moonwalker Col Buzz Aldrin of Apollo 11
We Never Went to the Moon music video by UFOetry and Pirate News
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Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Surface at McDonalds
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"And don't ride on anything with a Capissen 38 engine, they fall right out of the sky."
-Kaywinnet Lee Frye
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OLD 'News'...
Ares 'rocket' , for the 'peaceful' exploration of space , was named for a war god...
There's an oddity...
It was known as 'The Big Stick' in the early days , despite the availability of much better designs that would require fewer changes to existing infrastructure...
The vibration and harmonics issues have been well-known and understood for years...
Which begs the question : Was it designed to fail from its inception ?
And , who exactly is being 'stuck' with the 'Big Stick' ?
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Lori Garver seems to have gotten the big-head since leaving NSS for NASA...Diplomacy could be made to go a long way...
Meanwhile , the cargo-only variant 'Shuttle-C' boilerplate mockup has been rusting in a Huntsville scrapyard for Years...
http://www.astronautix.com/gallery/lshttlec.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle-C
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989pst..rept..383L
http://altairvi.blogspot.com/2008/09/shuttle-c-presentation-to-synthes
is.html
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There IS A Better Way :
'The Jupiter design would also require two separate launches to get to the moon, but its rockets would both rely on a shuttle external tank at their center. Some of the design concepts go back to proposals floated at Marshall in the early 1980s. Others date to the early '90s, when Marshall worked on a new rocket system that never flew.
Besides being a simpler, more powerful system, backers say, the Jupiter rockets would save NASA $19 billion in development costs and another $16 billion in operating costs over two decades.
The Government Accountability Office last year raised questions about the cost of NASA's current plan for returning to the moon, which a report estimated at $230 billion over 20 years. NASA said it already has spent about $7 billion on Ares.
Steve Metschan, an engineer and former NASA contractor who supports the Jupiter team, said the upcoming presidential election could change NASA's plan. He accused NASA of suppressing information that shows Jupiter would perform better than Ares.
"Our concern is that by the time everyone figures this out, we will have destroyed our heavy-lift system," said Metschan, of Seattle. "At the end of the day, all we're asking for is an independent review of all this stuff."'
http://www.space.com/news/ap-080714-alternative-moon-rocket.html
http://www.directlauncher.com/ 'Safer , Simpler , Sooner'
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NASA, brought to you by the same folks who gave you the $8.5-Trillion Bankster Bailout Bill and Project Paperclip...
Aries action with Shuttle Challenger - Note capsule falling without smoke
"Obviously a major malfunction. We have no downlink.
We have a report from the Flight Dynamics Officer that the vehicle has exploded."
-Steve Nesbitt, NASA public affairs
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE CHALLENGER CREW COMMENTS FROM THE OPERATIONAL RECORDER
(NASA: Throttle up to 104% after maximum dynamic pressure.)
T+58..............PLT..... Throttle up.
T+59..............CDR..... Roger.
T+60..............PLT..... Feel that mother go.
T+60............ Woooohoooo.
T+1:02............PLT..... Thirty-five thousand going through one point five
(NASA: Altitude and velocity report, 35,000 ft., 1.5 Mach).
T+1:05............CDR..... Reading four eighty six on mine.
(NASA: Routine airspeed indicator check.)
T+1:07............PLT..... Yep, that's what I've got, too.
T+1:10............CDR..... Roger, go at throttle up.
(NASA: SSME at 104 percent.)
T+1:13............PLT..... Uhoh.
T+1:15 (M) What happened? What happened? Oh God, no - no!
T+1:17 (F) Oh dear God.
T+1:18 (M) Turn on your air pack. Turn on your air...
T+1:20 (M) Can't breathe... choking...
T+1:21 (M) Lift up your visor!
T+1:22 (F) ...hot. (Sobs.) I can't. Don't tell me... (M) God! Do it...
T+1:24 (M) I told them... I told them... Dammit! Resnik don't...
T+1:27 (M) Take it easy! Move (unintelligible)...
T+1:28 (F) (unintelligible) ...die like this. Not now. Not here...
T+1:31 (M) Your arm... no... I (extended garble, static)
T+1:36 (F) I'm... passing... out...
T+1:37 (M) (unintelligible) ...not dead yet.
T+1:40 (M) If you ever wanted... (unintelligible) ...me a miracle...
(unintelligible)...(screams)
T+1:41 (M) She's... she's... (garble) ... damn!
T+1:50 (M) Can't breathe...
T+1:51 (M/F) Jesus Christ! No!
T+1:54 (M) She's out.
T+1:55 (M) Lucky... (unintelligible).
T+1:56 (M) God. The water... we're dead! (screams)
T+2:00 (F) Goodbye (sobs)... (unintelligible)..
T+2:03 (M) Loosen up... loosen up...
T+2:07 (M) It'll just be like a ditch landing...
T+2:09 (M) That's right, think positive.
T+2:11 (M) Ditch procedure...
T+2:14 (M) No way!
T+2:17 (M) Give me your hand...
T+2:19 (M) You awake in there? I... I...
T+2:29 (M) Our Father... (unintelligible)...
T+2:42 (M) ...hallowed be Thy name... (unintelligible).
T+2:57 (M) You...over there?
T+2:58 (M) The Lord is my shepherd, I shall... not want. He maketh me to lie down...
in green pastures... though I walk through the valley... (unintelligible) shadow of death,
(unintelligible)... I will dwell in the house...
T+3:15 Static
www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/transcript.html
www.blurofinsanity.com/challenger.html
Cause and time of death
During vehicle breakup, the crew cabin detached in one piece and slowly tumbled. NASA estimated separation forces at about 12 to 20 times the force of gravity (g) very briefly; however, within two seconds, the forces on the cabin had already dropped to below 4 g, and within ten seconds the cabin was in free fall. These forces were likely insufficient to cause major injury. At least some of the astronauts were likely alive and briefly conscious after the breakup, because three of the four Personal Egress Air Packs (PEAPs) on the flight deck were found to have been activated. Investigators found their remaining unused air supply roughly consistent with the expected consumption during the 2 minute 45 second post-breakup trajectory. Whether the astronauts remained conscious long after the breakup is unknown, and largely depends on whether the detached crew cabin maintained pressure integrity. If it did not, time of useful consciousness at that altitude is just a few seconds; theNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
There IS A Better Way :
Besides being a simpler, more powerful system, backers say, the Jupiter rockets would save NASA $19 billion in development costs and another $16 billion in operating costs over two decades.
The Government Accountability Office last year raised questions about the cost of NASA's current plan for returning to the moon, which a report estimated at $230 billion over 20 years. NASA said it already has spent about $7 billion on Ares.
Steve Metschan, an engineer and former NASA contractor who supports the Jupiter team, said the upcoming presidential election could change NASA's plan. He accused NASA of suppressing information that shows Jupiter would perform better than Ares.
You don't UNDERSTAND.
The purpose of NASA and the Military Industrial Complex is to suck as much money as possible out of the taxslaves for the New World Odor.
"NASA" was the PR name change of the US Army Ballistic Missle Agency, whose purpose was the nuclear annihilation of Planet Earth, led by Nazi warcriminals.
Most of NASA's missions are fake.
All NASA really does is put space weapons in Low Earth Orbit, such as bunkerbuster steel rod that simply fall out of the sky, and GPS trackers to tax us to death.
That's why I pick on NASA, because it really does have POTENTIAL to do great things, such as educate a nation of pilots, engineers, machinists and fabricators.
Instead, NASA is used to dumbdown the sheeple, in a bankrupt nation ranked 25th in educashun and life expectancy (not counting 60-million aborticides and 60-million illiterate aliens). And deploy hunter-killer robots...
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I thought the official name of NASA had been changed to mean Need Another Seven Astronauts
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
There IS A Better Way :
'The Jupiter design would also require two separate launches to get to the moon, but its rockets would both rely on a shuttle external tank at their center. Some of the design concepts go back to proposals floated at Marshall in the early 1980s. Others date to the early '90s, when Marshall worked on a new rocket system that never flew.
Besides being a simpler, more powerful system, backers say, the Jupiter rockets would save NASA $19 billion in development costs and another $16 billion in operating costs over two decades.
The Government Accountability Office last year raised questions about the cost of NASA's current plan for returning to the moon, which a report estimated at $230 billion over 20 years. NASA said it already has spent about $7 billion on Ares.
Steve Metschan, an engineer and former NASA contractor who supports the Jupiter team, said the upcoming presidential election could change NASA's plan. He accused NASA of suppressing information that shows Jupiter would perform better than Ares.
"Our concern is that by the time everyone figures this out, we will have destroyed our heavy-lift system," said Metschan, of Seattle. "At the end of the day, all we're asking for is an independent review of all this stuff."'
http://www.space.com/news/ap-080714-alternative-moon-rocket.html
http://www.directlauncher.com/ 'Safer , Simpler , Sooner'
Sounds like the Jupiter too is lost in space.
Not 2 bad if lost in space with Lacy Chabert.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I thought the official name of NASA had been changed to mean Need Another Seven Astronauts
I think the death count is over 40, what they admit to.
12 died just in Apollo, on Earth.
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Sounds like the Jupiter too is lost in space.
Not 2 bad if lost in space with Lacy Chabert.
Only if Never A Straight Answer has anything to do with it...
Jupiter rocket has N.I.H. syndrome...
'Not Invented Here'...
Heck and shoot , NASA has troubles following through with good ideas that WERE invented there...
Like the X-38 space station 'lifeboat' shuttle , which the Frogs and Russkies promptly copied...
Or , Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz''s VASIMR rocket , which was well along when they pulled the funding plug...
Didn't imagine you'd approve of Lacey...
Figured she mightn't have swum in the correct gene pool to suit you...
Zero-Gee human propogation 'studies' with her might prove to be fun , though...
She can ride my rocket , should she fancy the ultimate trip...
In other space news , Virgin Galactic's White Knight 2 mothership began low-speed taxi trials at Mojave Spaceport yesterday...
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid4659308001/bctid46986360
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