Imponderables: In The Beginning...
POSTED BY: nvghostrider
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 00:45
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i couldn't have put it better NV. well said.
That being said, *if* that happens, I can't help but wonder what people will say then.
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I'm actually really offended by that post.
But backing up a step, a couple of things. First, I think the teacher was out of line talking politics with kids that young, especially in showing her bias, and the principal was out of line in her reaction. Second, I own a gun, and although I am typically very liberal and don't enjoy hunting, I think the right to have weapons (within certain limits) is an important one.
That said, I think the poster is a sour-grapes conservative who is lashing out at the first pro-Obama encounter he has. Mentioning that the principal is a black woman was completely and totally unnecessary, and shows his racist roots IMO. Calling the President Elect a liar and the people who support him "fucks" is totally out of line, and says far more about the poster than it says about the teacher or the principal.
Second, this is the very first time I've heard anything about Obama coming down hard on gun control, and forgive me if I don't accept the word of a hot headed, racist conservative who has his panties in a knot because his guy didn't win. I would be hugely surprised if any sort of gun control is even addressed during Obama's first year, and even if he manages to get Congress to pass something during his first term, it won't be going door to door taking away everyone's guns.
Most liberals who are for gun control want two things: safety for kids, and checks to make sure that convicted criminals and those with mental illnesses can't get their hands on guns. It's not about taking guns away, it's about limiting gun violence. Yes, there are some extremists who don't think anyone should have guns and don't think animals should be killed for food. But for the most part, people who favor gun control are worried about the crackpots getting their hands on guns, not your average responsible citizen.
The right to bear arms is not about hunting. It's not even really about defending your house from an intruder. It's about the right to have weapons in case our government turns against us, like happened so many times with England and the first American settlers.
Third, public schools in this country have a vested interest in carefully monitoring any discussion about guns, shooting, or violence in general. I don't agree with a policy against talking about hunting, but if a school feels it needs to outlaw all talking about guns so that they can tell who is talking about killing classmates, then I respect their need to keep their students safe. Responsible gun owners understand the stresses schools are under, and will teach their children that respecting guns means not only cleaning and handling them carefully, but also watching what you say in sensitive settings like schools, police departments, and airports.
Overall, the guy who made that post strikes me as a backwoods conservative who is just pissed off that his guy didn't win, and is doing a sky-is-falling temper tantrum over Obama winning. You know what, we all had to live with your fuckhead of a President for 8 years, and put up with all his shitass decisions and actual documented lying to the American public. At least see what President Obama does with his time as President before blaming all society's ills on the man. And for FUCKS SAKE keep your goddamn racism to yourself.
/seriously offended
~CK
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First off there's no way Obama can outlaw gun..it's unconstitutional
2- that teacher can certainly state her opinion, but absolutely CANNOT make disparaging remarks about the student , his parent or their choices regarding guns...the principal was WRONG and I would take that to the school board immediately...what if the teacher said all people who watch cartoons are violent and the kids would be suspended if they talked about watching cartoons???
3- yeah with NV on the gun thing.. if a rapist breaks into my house what would you like me to do..." excuse me mister rapist could you maybe leave instead 'cause I called the cops and they will probably be here in 15 or 20 minutes .."
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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.
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Just in case it wasn't clear, the "you" in my post was directed at the guy who made the post that NV linked to, not anyone here of course.
~CK
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*pausing to take a gentle breath*
Gonna address the issues as I see them in the post you linked to:
1. The teacher is entitled to her opinion as an opinion. I have my own opinions on other things, but I'm entitled to them. Acting as if the opinions are gospel, is something I disagree with completely.
2. I don't recall Obama ever claiming that one of his platforms was to ban guns. Wherever the teacher got her information -- it was totally out of line to claim something like that in a classroom.
3. I'm not a gun person, but I do understand that there are those who do use guns to hunt (usually for food first, then sport after) and for protection. It's not for me, but I am of the mind that if it's used for those goals, then it's that person's thing.
4. I think that the principal overreacted a bit with the threat of expulsion for simply talking about hunting. I can understand the nervousness of administration when people talk about firearms (thank Columbine and the various school shootings that came after for that one), but hunting....huh?
5. The whole thing about Obama has me scratching my head and going "Wha?" Where are these crazy claims coming from? Most folks that I know of grumbled after the 2000 election, but waited for our president to actually get into office and do something before lamblasting him for whatever issues they saw.
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Personally, I would suggest that this person 1) request a copy of that video tape; 2) visit the district superintendent (or whomever is higher up than the princpal) and complain; and 3) use this to teach the step-son that not everything is fair, but there are ways to deal with this.
I believe in gun saftey for all -- accidental deaths due to guns give me the heebie-jeebies, and gang use of guns make me very nervous. While I don't see the reasoning for people owning guns that shoot several rounds per second for personal use, I can see the reasoning for other types of guns. Again, it's not my choice, and it's not for me, but I can understand that it's other people's preferences (and I ask that others respect mine).
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always so astute and well thought-out with your responses CK ^_^
that being said, it also made me realize how much i hate the way parties treat each other ><;;
*retreats to a corner*
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This pretty much sums up why I think AK-47s are inappropriate for private ownership, and why I think we need better laws against convicted criminals getting guns: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/halloween.slaying.ap/index.html?er
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Even ex-convicts have a right to defend their homes, within the terms of their parole or release, but if this guy had had a handgun instead of an AK-47, that child might still be alive. This also could have happened to anyone, ex-convict or not, who overreacts to the possibility of an intruder. Once you start shooting through the front walls of your home, "oops sorry" doesn't really make it better.
What really twists my gut is that the shooter seems to be remorseful -- this wasn't callous, indifferent, or violence for violence's sake. This was a man alone in his home who thought he was being robbed and reacted on instinct before he had time to double check. He's ruined multiple lives now because his weapon of choice allowed him to act on that first burst of adrenalin, rather than double checking himself.
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"Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond."
"Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money."
Let's see, dirty mother fuckers doing dirty shit. Can that be the reason for such horrible things? The AK47 is probably the most common military style firearm in the world. There are no less than a few hundred in my "rural" county alone.
If we could only outlaw dirty tweekers and scandalous bitches then there might not be a need to be better armed than such folk. This was not a man alone in his house and he is not without past indescresions. One does not need to be under the influence of drugs for them to still be influencing their state of mind.
ADD: It does not state if he was an ex-felon but under federal mandate any person convicted of a felony are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms.
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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Even ex-convicts have a right to defend their homes, within the terms of their parole or release, but if this guy had had a handgun instead of an AK-47, that child might still be alive.
Honestly he should not have had either. The "EX_-CON" thing basically takes teh right to bear arms away from him. He gave up his right to bear arms when he committed his first felony. Along with quite a few other rights. And the 7500 in cahs means something else probably highly illegal was going on here.
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Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
If we could only outlaw dirty tweekers and scandalous bitches then there might not be a need to be better armed than such folk.
Two problems with that. 1.) There are a ton of people who would be outraged if the government tried to create some "test" for gun ownership. 2.) Wanting to be better armed than the other guy leads to no good. When does it stop. Do people need to own a bazooka in case the other guy has an assault rifle? Should people have tanks in case the other guy has a bazooka? Let's all go get nukes because we should have the right to defend our families from an invading army.
There was a comedian once who made a funny point about the right to bear arms. When that was written into the constitution guns took a long time to get off even two rounds. You had to pour in the gun powder, then through a bullet in there, then get that long rod thing to cram it all down with and then you could finally fire a second round. (possibly inaccurate as I'm not a gun historian) Still I don't think the founding fathers really wanted everyone to carry weapons that could kill crowds of people in a few seconds.
There's never any way to become completely secure. There will always be threats that you can't defend yourself against. I think being reasonable is a step in the right direction. If assault rifles are outlawed it's highly unlikely you'll ever need an assault rifle to defend yourself. I know criminals don't care what is illegal and what isn't, but criminals can own assault rifles now and I've still never even seen one in person.
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