Who or what is Inara?
POSTED BY: Platonist
UPDATED: Thursday, September 25, 2008 21:27
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Well, in a Whedon verse it is more likely they will get together and she will die, because I think they'll both know that going in...and Inara would want Mal to be happy after her death.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Well, in a Whedon verse it is more likely they will get together and she will die, because I think they'll both know that going in...and Inara would want Mal be happy after her death.
I agree. I didn't want to mention Inara dying in case someone didn't put two and two together. True Whedon tragedy.
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Yes, actually I was thinking similar to Wash and Zoe.
And I think poor Inara faces her Serenity Valley everyday and that's a commonality... those looks and beats between those two are incredible.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Wow, some of you have very active imaginations, but I dunno... after fourteen episodes, a feature length film, a series of comic books and it being 6 years later, don't you think that Joss would have started to develop a conspiracy theory that she had had an active role in, especially if it had something to do with the Tams, the Alliance, or the Independents? There is nothing in canon to support any of these claims; as none of them ever sound right.
yeah, I kind of agree. I have never seen her as someone trying to bring down "The Alliance" (and when something is as big as what the alliance is purportedly to be, I doubt one man/small team can make a difference...)
Ultimately, the crew and those on board do not matter in the 'verse.
Saying that, there is a matter of coincidence. A master story teller introducing THREE groups of people in a surprising situation is rarely by chance. One could happen, Two would be keeping the options open. Three means conspiracy. Not all have to be involved, but in such a situation, IMO atleast one of the three groups (Inara, Book and the Tams being the three) must have chosen Serenity for a reason other than absolute chance.
Why would Simon stay on a ship where just hours earlier the captain had every intention of throwing him out of an airlock? Why would Inara defend the Tams to such an extent in the Pilot episode (after he bestest buddy evar, kaylee has been shot) that even leaving them on alive on another moon is not acceptable to her? What was Simon really doing in her shuttle in the pilot episode? What is the connection between Inara and Simon?
Those are the questions I am asking, and my conspiracy theory, while slightly outlandish, does answer them. (and it is not large scale. A Companion who is also smuggler getting a gig on a smuggling ship does not intent to destabilise the Alliance - probably just do her job (on her own, not on behalf of the sisterhood or whatever), earn her money.)
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Joss himself says on the CE commentary that both Book and Inara have no real hidden agenda on Serenity.
Ofcourse this hear throws a wrench into the works. I really need to get a hold of the DVD (I don't have an NTSC DVD player...).
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Most of Inara's scenes are with Mal or about Mal, even when she is with her clients, Mal is the two ton elephant in the room. It's all about Mal...rescuing Mal, protecting Mal, being with Mal, who Mal is, it’s all about Serenity and its Captain.
Not always - Higgins Moon before her rescue.
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As far as her fate with or without Mal, the inevitable will happen. I would look to the end of Better Days for those clues. Think about it, why would someone need a doctor? And Mal knows before Serenity, which I now find interesting.
Yup. NEED MORE STORIES. :P
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By the way, Jayne really hates Reavers.
You figure?
/we need a Reaver smiley. it would have been perfect with the blast one right here.
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Quote:Well... the "coincidence" here may be nothing more than Joss's desire to have a large cast of interesting and unique characters. I believe it's in the Visual Companion that he says he originally planned for a crew of 5, but learned the lesson from Angel that more main characters is better for storytelling. So he upped it to 9. You got to get 9 different people to show up in one place somehow, right? Or you got no show. Doesn't mean they're there for the same reasons.
Originally posted by nbz:
Saying that, there is a matter of coincidence. A master story teller introducing THREE groups of people in a surprising situation is rarely by chance. One could happen, Two would be keeping the options open. Three means conspiracy. Not all have to be involved, but in such a situation, IMO atleast one of the three groups (Inara, Book and the Tams being the three) must have chosen Serenity for a reason other than absolute chance.
And, really, doesn't it allow for more stories (say, a full 7 seasons *bitterbitterbitter*), if these people all have their own tales, instead of it being all one deal? (Not that I didn't combine things in my own theories LOL!)
As to the other questions:
Why would Simon stay on a ship where just hours earlier the captain had every intention of throwing him out of an airlock? Good question, but the answer could easily lie somewhere between: because otherwise Joss doesn't get to tell River's story, and: because Simon had no where else to go. Boy was flat broke, and not so adept at surviving in the wilds.
Why would Inara defend the Tams to such an extent in the Pilot episode (after he bestest buddy evar, kaylee has been shot) that even leaving them on alive on another moon is not acceptable to her? Because Inara's basically an empathetic, all-heart kind of person who isn't afraid of Mal. As for Kaylee getting shot, I don't think Inara blamed Simon, and she isn't the vengeful type anyway.
What was Simon really doing in her shuttle in the pilot episode? He was getting med packs from her because the infirmary was so poorly provisioned. He said so. Right? (I admit - it's been awhile since I watched it.)
What is the connection between Inara and Simon? Later in the series? Post series? The strong hints are that she's sick and wants to be secretive about it, so who else would she go to?
Even after saying all that, I must add that I'm all kinds of eager to hear your conspiracy theory, nbz. Joss only gets to tell one story, we can make up several LOL!
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Yup. NEED MORE STORIES. :P
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So what we need are the fragments put into fic. Boy meets girl, girl loves boy but leaves due to secret, boy gets girl back, girl puts boy emotionally back together, boy loves girl, girl gets sick and .... Sounds like enough material for 7 seasons to me. And all the hints are there as stated in the commentaries for Out of Gas and the pilot. And I can so see the actors playing out these roles perfectly. I love watching characters evolve as new situations confront them - kinda like real life! That's why post Serenity fic that's a rehash of who the characters were in Firefly seems like a contraction of what those characters became after Serenity. Way too much fertile ground here for authors!
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Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, Katesfriend, sounds like seven seasons worth to me.
And my favorite ending would be; boy heals girl with the help of some special friends and she gets better because I’m a hopeless romantic who believes in the power of love.
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Well... the "coincidence" here may be nothing more than Joss's desire to have a large cast of interesting and unique characters. I believe it's in the Visual Companion that he says he originally planned for a crew of 5, but learned the lesson from Angel that more main characters is better for storytelling. So he upped it to 9. You got to get 9 different people to show up in one place somehow, right? Or you got no show. Doesn't mean they're there for the same reasons.
heh, I would put that down as one of the reasons why Firefly (and Drive) was cancelled! Too many people introduced too soon.
Not everyone can keep track and especially for a pilot, not everyone watching will be paying their full attention to the same level as applied in a cinema.
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Why would Simon stay on a ship where just hours earlier the captain had every intention of throwing him out of an airlock? Good question, but the answer could easily lie somewhere between: because otherwise Joss doesn't get to tell River's story, and: because Simon had no where else to go. Boy was flat broke, and not so adept at surviving in the wilds.
I don't believe he was broke... he had a destination in the Pilot and also some sort of a plan in the BDM of where to go. The conversation with Book in The Train Job suggested that Mal WAS collecting payment for keeping them onboard.
Add to that his outburst in Safe: "Please. If it's ransom you want, I... I can arrange something."
He may not have been filthy rich, or had loads of loos change, but he had something.
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What was Simon really doing in her shuttle in the pilot episode? He was getting med packs from her because the infirmary was so poorly provisioned. He said so. Right? (I admit - it's been awhile since I watched it.)
Yes, that is what we were told. As in we walked into the end of a conversation. Could have been other stuff too.
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What is the connection between Inara and Simon? Later in the series? Post series? The strong hints are that she's sick and wants to be secretive about it, so who else would she go to?
True dat. She could be sick and loads of other people have entertained such notions too. however it seems a little cliched. (as an aside, I always thought the final Book/Inara conversation from the pilot alluded that Book was ill. It was later when others pointed out to me this was more about mental wellbeing about being on a smuggling ship!)
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Even after saying all that, I must add that I'm all kinds of eager to hear your conspiracy theory, nbz.
It is all small scale. I don't believe in big stories in Firefly. It is about the little person, surviving another day etc etc. If the show has run on, that may have changed, but I am not really interested atm in overarching revolutions etc.
The big stuff has already happened in the war, and IMO there would not be another (of such scale - there may be some crumbling of the crust as the alliance struggles with over exerting itself, but no revolutions, massive independence movements or other such things....) in the Firefly timescale.
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Joss only gets to tell one story, we can make up several LOL!
you have a point. There is a chance I may get my creative juices going. Over the past year I have not been very creative, but recently, I have regained my interest in wordplay. Hopefully this will fall over into storytelling.
I have some ideas and hopefully they will get written and appreciated (hopefully confuse people too)
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What is the connection between Inara and Simon? Later in the series? Post series? The strong hints are that she's sick and wants to be secretive about it, so who else would she go to?
True dat. She could be sick and loads of other people have entertained such notions too. however it seems a little cliched.
That's what they said Jewel and Morena spilled. Inara was dying. That's why she left Serenity instead of let herself fall for Mal. Lame. We already guessed that! Where's that Joss magic of totally turning a corner we didn't see coming?
OK spoilers all gone. Enjoy your sheltered lives. Bet you're itching to know the big secret though. All the cool kids are reading spoilers.
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Originally posted by Katesfriend:
So what we need are the fragments put into fic. Boy meets girl, girl loves boy but leaves due to secret, boy gets girl back, girl puts boy emotionally back together, boy loves girl, girl gets sick and .... Sounds like enough material for 7 seasons to me. And all the hints are there as stated in the commentaries for Out of Gas and the pilot. And I can so see the actors playing out these roles perfectly. I love watching characters evolve as new situations confront them - kinda like real life! That's why post Serenity fic that's a rehash of who the characters were in Firefly seems like a contraction of what those characters became after Serenity. Way too much fertile ground here for authors!
Maybe this discussion will give me the motivation to finish the last half of a post BDM fic I've had on my hard drive for, oh 8 or 9 months.
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