Does Firefly promote Prostitution?
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Monday, January 26, 2004 05:41
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Originally posted by Succatash:Quote:Do you mean we should fly into space and lobby for legalized prostitution or do you mean we should fly to the moon for sex?
Originally posted by Ciara:
Prostitution yay--let's lobby to legalize it. Mostly in space
Kinda gives new meaning to the song lyrics "fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars," dontcha think?
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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.
Actually--I always thought that /was/ the original meaning of the song. Sort of a tongue-in-cheek-closeted-fifties-sexuality thing.
Anyway, Inara is *way* not a prostitute. That's like calling a master artist a housepainter, or a five star chef a fry cook.
Prostitution /should/ be illegal--it degrades women *and* men. But geishas should be legal--they elevate sex to an art form.
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Legaly I think prostitution is legal in space. I think there was a treaty signed by a bunch of nations in the 60's that said no nation's airspace can extend in to space so I guess any laws regarding what can and can't be done on or above a nations land do not extend in to space. And like a ship at sea it concidered the territory of the nation that owns it. So if a space station or something is owned by a nation where prostitution is legal or by a person who is not affilated with a goverment prostitution would be legal.
Kinda makes me with I had a few billion and purchased Mir back when it was up there.
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Originally posted by Succatash:
and maybe prostitution should be legalized.
Gotta talk politics...just for a second...
Prostitution, along with gambling, and anti-drug laws, are all illegal for one reason, and one reason only: the 'general public' views them as 'wrong'. They fall into the category of "moral crimes" - actions that do not risk harming others in any way, and shouldn't be illegal for any reason.
In Nevada, prostituion is legal. This means that their are strict health codes enforced - obviously including the use of condoms. This means that prostitution actually causes much less of a problem in Nevada than in other states: fewer STDs, unwanted pregnancies, prostitutes on the streets...not to mention the increased money for the government - I'm sure there is some sort of tax.
Sorry...just...I'm a libertarian. Hate the government overstepping its boundries, like it does all the damned time. I'm no anarchist; it's just, when the government comes into your house, and starts telling you what to do...
Anyways, you can get back to talking about Firefly-related stuff now...
-Steve
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Ever actually been to Japan? Geishas are not prostitutes. What they actually do is to elevate cultured feminity to an art form. They are in essence charming and attentive hostesses. They are schooled in graciousness, hospitality, and gentility. They smile, listen attentively, and gently laugh at your jokes.
(And yes, I would have to hire someone to laugh at mine.)
Prostitution is illegal in Japan. There some prostitutes who masquerade as Geishas, but geishas they are not.
As far as "promoting" prostitution is concerned, in my view, Firefly doesn't! Although he seems to be quite fond of Inara, Mal is very contemptuous of her profession. At least that's the way I read it.
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Prostitution is a combination of two things: sex, and free enterprise. Which one do you think most people object to.
(An anarchist is someone who believes in less government than you do.) 
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Originally posted by Succatash:
and maybe prostitution should be legalized.
Gotta talk politics...just for a second...
Prostitution, along with gambling, and anti-drug laws, are all illegal for one reason, and one reason only: the 'general public' views them as 'wrong'. They fall into the category of "moral crimes" - actions that do not risk harming others in any way, and shouldn't be illegal for any reason.
In Nevada, prostituion is legal. This means that their are strict health codes enforced - obviously including the use of condoms. This means that prostitution actually causes much less of a problem in Nevada than in other states: fewer STDs, unwanted pregnancies, prostitutes on the streets...not to mention the increased money for the government - I'm sure there is some sort of tax.
Sorry...just...I'm a libertarian. Hate the government overstepping its boundries, like it does all the damned time. I'm no anarchist; it's just, when the government comes into your house, and starts telling you what to do...
Anyways, you can get back to talking about Firefly-related stuff now...
-Steve
While I agree with your sentiments, I do think there was a problem with prostitution. Sex causes babies, as well as is a great avenue for disease transmissions. Also you have to worry about hubby chasing hookers, and spending his money on them rather than on his family.
[It is interesting that the Midevil Catholic church saw prostitution as a "necessary evil" and allowed it to prevent widespread homosexuality, which they felt was a greater sin.]
Drug use can lead to violence, or other irresponsible behavior that society is left to clean up. Gambling can lead to bankrupting a family, leaving the wife and kids to starve.
All these prohibitions were put in place when they were seen as a problem. Morality is a function of our environment and the potential consequences of our actions. If someone has to clean up the mess you made, well that someone is gonna make sure you don't do whatever it was that created that mess in the first place.
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
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Steve580 wrote:
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Prostitution, along with gambling, and anti-drug laws, are all illegal for one reason, and one reason only: the 'general public' views them as 'wrong'. They fall into the category of "moral crimes" - actions that do not risk harming others in any way, and shouldn't be illegal for any reason.
I agree that they fall into the "moral crimes" area, but I think part of the reason they are illegal is the fact the a government can not tax them. The gov't does not like being left out of it "fair" share of any money or service changing hands. You can rest assured that the legalized prostitution in Las Vegas is monitored and taxed. If the gov't could do that w/ prostitution and drugs across the country, and the moral uproar of voters could be quelled, they would do it in a minute.
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Originally posted by Succatash:
and maybe prostitution should be legalized.
Gotta talk politics...just for a second...
Prostitution, along with gambling, and anti-drug laws, are all illegal for one reason, and one reason only: the 'general public' views them as 'wrong'. They fall into the category of "moral crimes" - actions that do not risk harming others in any way, and shouldn't be illegal for any reason.
In Nevada, prostituion is legal. This means that their are strict health codes enforced - obviously including the use of condoms. This means that prostitution actually causes much less of a problem in Nevada than in other states: fewer STDs, unwanted pregnancies, prostitutes on the streets...not to mention the increased money for the government - I'm sure there is some sort of tax.
Sorry...just...I'm a libertarian. Hate the government overstepping its boundries, like it does all the damned time. I'm no anarchist; it's just, when the government comes into your house, and starts telling you what to do...
Anyways, you can get back to talking about Firefly-related stuff now...
-Steve
While I agree with your sentiments, I do think there was a problem with prostitution. Sex causes babies, as well as is a great avenue for disease transmissions. Also you have to worry about hubby chasing hookers, and spending his money on them rather than on his family.
[It is interesting that the Midevil Catholic church saw prostitution as a "necessary evil" and allowed it to prevent widespread homosexuality, which they felt was a greater sin.]
Drug use can lead to violence, or other irresponsible behavior that society is left to clean up. Gambling can lead to bankrupting a family, leaving the wife and kids to starve.
All these prohibitions were put in place when they were seen as a problem. Morality is a function of our environment and the potential consequences of our actions. If someone has to clean up the mess you made, well that someone is gonna make sure you don't do whatever it was that created that mess in the first place.
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
Yes, sex can cause babies. However, as it is, prostitution in most areas is unmonitered by anyone; therefore the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies is a common problem amoung hookers. Legalizing prostitution, though, makes these issues go away. I'm sure that more than one form of protection is used, so the chance of either of the above happining is slim to none. So really, this first argument of yours is one supporting legalization, in disguise. And sure, there is the chance that a man will use prostitutes rather than spend money on things for his famialy...but is that a reason to make it a *crime*? To arrest people? People can become obsessed with movie stars, which can cause problems...but does this mean we should ban movies?
Drug use can lead to violence and irresponcable behavior...but alchohal never does? You need to ask yourself: alchohal causes so many problems in society, so why is it legal?
The reason alchohal is legal is because banning it creates a worse situation. Remember Prohibition?
Now the thing is, the same is true of drugs. They have all the same properties of alchohal, and cause all the same problems in society...yet like alchohal, illegalizing drugs creates even *more* problems. Check out the website "Truth - the Anti-drugwar". It provides many charts and statistics about the effects of drug illegality, from greatly increased homicide rates, to the formation of gangs. The lucrative drug-trade market lures young kids into a life of crime. And drug illegality makes them so expensive, crime is the only way to afford the habit. Ever wonder why people don't kill eachother over an alchohal war, or why teens addicted to tobacco don't mug pedestrians for cash? Because these substances, though dangerous, are legal.
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While I agree with your sentiments, I do think there was a problem with prostitution. Sex causes babies, as well as is a great avenue for disease transmissions. Also you have to worry about hubby chasing hookers, and spending his money on them rather than on his family.
Wow, uhm, not quite sure where to begin disassembling this argument.
Sex causes babies, not prostitution. Sex, in marriage, out of marriage and outside of marriage by married folk is still going to go on with or without prostitution.
Sex is a great avenue for disease. However, as one of my isntructor's graduate thesis was done on prostitution and the spread of AIDS in Camden NJ I can tell you what she found. After 2 years of living side by side with the working girls of Camden all of them used condoms with their johns. They then took the money they made, either gave it to their boyfriends who then went to a shooting gallery, injected drugs with a shared needle and then had unprotected sex with their girlfriends, or the hookers also went to the shooting gallery and used the same needle. No johns contracted AIDS from sex with prostitutes. Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
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It is interesting that the Midevil Catholic church saw prostitution as a "necessary evil" and allowed it to prevent widespread homosexuality, which they felt was a greater sin.
The same medievel church that slaughtered 100,000 people in a French town because they were protecting approximately 1,000 cathars, a goodly folk whose sin against God was believing that the pope did not represent the voice of God on earth? The same church that waged a "holy" war on to reclaim the holy land but was really all about lining their pockets with loot?
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Drug use can lead to violence, or other irresponsible behavior that society is left to clean up. Gambling can lead to bankrupting a family, leaving the wife and kids to starve.
All these prohibitions were put in place when they were seen as a problem. Morality is a function of our environment and the potential consequences of our actions. If someone has to clean up the mess you made, well that someone is gonna make sure you don't do whatever it was that created that mess in the first place.
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
Morality is a function of the wealth of an individual in a given environment. If you don't know where your next meal is coming from you don't give a damn about how prisoners in jail are treated. We here in the western world live a very wealthy lifestyle. As a result we have a very high moral standard. In poorer societies the moral standard is comparatively lax.
For example, on the American frontier a woman who had a child out of wedlock would have been ruined in the east, but men on the frontier were more than willing to take in the woman, and in some cases her bastard child. Were they morally superior or inferior to the people in the eastern cities? It could be seen either way depending on your point of view.
My final point; why is it illegal to sell something it is legal to give away?
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Originally posted by Succatash:
and maybe prostitution should be legalized.
Gotta talk politics...just for a second...
Prostitution, along with gambling, and anti-drug laws, are all illegal for one reason, and one reason only: the 'general public' views them as 'wrong'. They fall into the category of "moral crimes" - actions that do not risk harming others in any way, and shouldn't be illegal for any reason.
In Nevada, prostituion is legal. This means that their are strict health codes enforced - obviously including the use of condoms. This means that prostitution actually causes much less of a problem in Nevada than in other states: fewer STDs, unwanted pregnancies, prostitutes on the streets...not to mention the increased money for the government - I'm sure there is some sort of tax.
Sorry...just...I'm a libertarian. Hate the government overstepping its boundries, like it does all the damned time. I'm no anarchist; it's just, when the government comes into your house, and starts telling you what to do...
Anyways, you can get back to talking about Firefly-related stuff now...
-Steve
Well, I was going to post something like that but you beat me to the punch. So I will say ditto!!!!!
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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