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Again, while I agree with the Supremem Courts decision...we are assuming that they have legality.
As far as I remember, the Supreme Court was not mentioned in the Constitution.
It has something to do with a there being a governing body that has "authority" over states rights. And the Founding Fathers not wanting that.
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Quote:As it happens, I agree with their decision. It just don't sit right with me when folks elevate regular humans to an elite status based on experience almost anyone could get if the opportunity presented itself.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
And if they upheld the gun ban in D.C. would you be so quick to point out their perceived failings? Or would their judgement and expertise be sitting more comfortably with you then?
Regular Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And that would make their opinion on something more credible....how?
It would make their opinion on how to run a mob more credible, since they had actually, successfully run a mob. Maybe their opinion on how to run a day-care center would be less credible, but that's not what they're chosen to do.
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...so too are judges merely human beings, subject to all the vagaries of the human existence, and no better at looking at the big picture than you or I are.
But they're not required to look at the big picture. Their focus is very limited, to the Constitutionality of laws and rulings which come before them. Fortunately, they have studied their field of expertise for years, and have had further years of experience in applying it.
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Wisdom does not come FROM experience or knowledge, it is a quality that comes from the continual striving to make one's self better.
Maybe so, but would you want to be operated on by a wise brain surgeon who had never obtained any experience in or knowledge of brain surgery?
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Or is it possible that they think they are as brilliant as you would make it seem from your comments here?
I just figure that, due to their education and experience, they have a better chance of correctly interpreting Constitutional questions than the rest of us. This is based on the general observation that anyone who has training and experience in a particular skill, and who has risen through their efforts to the highest position in that particular skill, probably knows more about it than someone who hasn't.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Okay then, just don't go makin' them sound like their poo don't smell is all.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I just figure that, due to their education and experience, they have a better chance of correctly interpreting Constitutional questions than the rest of us. This is based on the general observation that anyone who has training and experience in a particular skill, and who has risen through their efforts to the highest position in that particular skill, probably knows more about it than someone who hasn't.
Politics can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.
Judge Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Again, while I agree with the Supremem Courts decision...we are assuming that they have legality.
As far as I remember, the Supreme Court was not mentioned in the Constitution.
It has something to do with a there being a governing body that has "authority" over states rights. And the Founding Fathers not wanting that.
Time to brush up on the Constitution (and really, it would be a good thing for ALL OF US to do at least once every year or so...)
Here's the part about the Supreme Court:
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From the Constitution of the United States of America:
Article 3.
Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and
establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold
their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for
their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their
Continuance in Office.
Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under
this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which
shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other
public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime
Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to
Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of
another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the
same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a
State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and
those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original
Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall
have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and
under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and
such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been
committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such
Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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The supreme court is also more likely to be bribed by the NRA. But that's not an argument I'd make, because that sort of Ad Hominem nonsense is the De Jure of other posters around here 
.
I don't even have a problem with them ruling against the DC ban (that sound? it's another ad Hominem crumbling), I have a problem with them jumping backwards through giant flaming hoops of illogic in order to remove the blatant military service term of "bear arms" and "well regulated Militia" from the whole thing. I don't have a problem with them up holding the "keep arms" part, I have a problem with them ruling that the Amendment actually says:
"The right of the people to keep Arms, shall not be infringed."
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:You got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?
Originally posted by citizen:
I have a problem with them ruling that the Amendment actually says:
"The right of the people to keep Arms, shall not be infringed."
Harryisall
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And if they upheld the gun ban in D.C. would you be so quick to point out their perceived failings? Or would their judgement and expertise be sitting more comfortably with you then?
Bingo - there ya go. I wasn't happy when the Supremes stopped the 2000 election recount and settled the election, but while I might not agree with their decision, I realize I'm powerless to change it.
Some of their decisions I agree with, some I don't. If they had settled this one the other way, I'd probably be stashing guns right now. :)
As for the whole "wild west" and drunks, psychos, and felons running around with guns now that the ban has been struck down... I just don't see it. The ban was never going to stop those kinds of people from getting guns, because they don't really care about one more law standing in their way. What it DID do was disarm people who had broken no laws whatsoever, who only wanted the right to protect themselves in the most violent city in America, and one of the most violent in the world.
There are already plenty of laws on the books to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. Stop trying to throw up a bunch of new laws, and start effectively enforcing the ones we've already got! Same goes with crap like the Patriot Act and wiretapping bills; they're wholly superfluous IF YOU WOULD JUST ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS!! Stiffen the penalties for gun crimes (and I mean crimes actually committed while armed, not BS charges trumped up because you found out the guy who was speeding also owns a gun that wasn't within 10 miles of him at the time of the incident), make gun safety classes mandatory, stick with the background checks, and start working on closing the gunshow loopholes. (For those who don't know what that means, it means that I can go to a gun show, plunk down my cash, and walk away with a semi-auto AK47 or something similar, with a thousand rounds of ammo, for $500-$750, and no one will even ask my name or look at my ID. Cash-n-carry all the way. I've done it, and even I think it's a bit nuts.)
Also, START teaching more gun safety in schools, in public service announcements, in public programs and the like. Instead of demonizing guns, teach people about them. Which scares you more? A trained gun enthusiast with 15 guns, or an untrained kid with ONE gun and no idea what he's doing? I can always tell whether someone has had any training when they pick up one of my guns and start waving it around, pointing it at anything and everything, never checking to see whether it's loaded or not, and not really caring. THOSE are the people who are dangerous around guns, because those are the people who get other people killed because they were just playing around and didn't know any better.
[rant over]
By the way, we're told that 30,000 people were killed in gun crimes last year, and about that many every year, and that's the reason we should ban guns outright. But did you know that 40,000 people are killed in auto accidents every year in the US? That's ten thousand MORE people than are killed by guns. When do we outlaw the automobile? Surely no one truly NEEDS a car any more - we have buses, planes, boats, trains, cabs - there's ALWAYS some way to get around that doesn't require you to own your own vehicle - but you wouldn't want to give that up, would you? And that doesn't even take into account the environmental damage that cars do!
I'm just sayin', is all...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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I think that the Founding Fathers probably intended that each state would operate a militia, a non-standing army that nonetheless is trained in military tactics and manoeuvres. I think that for a State to not operate a Militia, as many don't, is just as unconstitutional as a hand gun ban in DC is. I think the implication is that people who wish to own weapons, should be compulsorily trained in their use. So yeah, I think "owning firearms [should] be concurrent with signing up for a civilian militia and being trained and disciplined in the use of those firearms".
Cit, I think we may have finally found some common ground on this issue!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Quote:You're just a mouthpiece for the greenie-weenies. Get a horse, you petulant pie hole.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
When do we outlaw the automobile? Surely no one truly NEEDS a car any more - we have buses, planes, boats, trains, cabs - there's ALWAYS some way to get around that doesn't require you to own your own vehicle - but you wouldn't want to give that up, would you? And that doesn't even take into account the environmental damage that cars do!
I fart methane in your general direction.
But seriously, are the majority of peeps killed with guns killed with unregistered weapons?
Curious Chrisisall
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