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Serenity: Better Days Issue #3 Wednesday 5/14/2008 Told ya it was a Firefly/Serenity episode! Here be SPOILERS!

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NBZ

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:21 PM

I am guessing some of those elements may have been threaded in for "A Shepherd's Tale".

That is assuming that it takes place between Better Days and Those Left Behind.

For some reason I can't seem to but the explanation for at least "the why" which Inara gives.

The Rainy day question is very good to ponder over. No idea. The BDM would suggest (to me) no.

PLATONIST

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:05 PM

Yeah me too, "the why" she gives doesn't make sense to me, either. Mal usually doesn't give anything away without something in return, like for the protection of his crew or HER, and not just to spare his selfish desires. That seems inconsistent for his character. She may have been off target on his motives and he didn't want to belabor the point, because he is still digesting the Simon revelation and wants time to think. He is already on the move, leaving the shuttle, at that point.

A Shepherd’s Tale will be interesting, but I think it mainly will provide Book’s back-story

NBZ

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:31 PM

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A Shepherd’s Tale will be interesting, but I think it mainly will provide Book’s back-story

Like this mini-series was about a job gone right?

At most I expect it to be in the background. I doubt we will get "Here is the lowdown on Book."

Probably an encounter with someone from his past. or a situation that finds out whatever it is that is artificial about him. (no idea if "artificial" means "make believe" or "prosthetics" in this context.)

GWEK

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:42 PM

I think the problem with folks not wanting to buy Mal's motives as depicted by Inara is that we all want to make Mal more heroic than he is.

Mal IS basically good-natured, but he also does a lot of stupid, selfish things throughout the course of the series. I think this is another example.

I'll admit that it doesn't jibe entirely with his demeanor in the movie, but the comic seems to be more an extension of the SERIES than the movie (despite the name) and this is just one of many small discrepancies.

Earlier on, folks speculated what Mal did with the money and if he might have kept some for a rainy day. I doubt that he would do that, because that's more complicated than letting all the money go, less "clean", and brings a lot more chance for big questions to come up at a later date.

I think the money is just gone. All of it.

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SMAUG

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:45 PM

Overall I liked it.. Heck it's more Firefly.. how can I not like it?

But as the discussion in this thread shows.. this 3 issue story either has flaws.. or it just shows how much the actors bring to the roles that you just can't capture in a comic book. No matter how good the art is.. and it was very good.

But right from the get go.. it left way too many questions. We are used to having questions when it comes to Firefly.. but this one story leaves as many as about the entire run of the show and movie together.

First off.. the job at the beginning just seemed "too big" for our little band of petty theives. I always liked the reality that we were always mis-lead. That it wasn't gold bars.. it was food. It wasn't what "we" would consider priceless cargo.. it was cows. Then their best heist was medicene (at least until the lasiter which was their OWN job) That just adds to how much "survival" is a part of the Firefly universe. Where food is the most valuable resource. But they are after some artifact type thing.. while just HAPPENING to be chased by some new fandagle security robot while doing so.

And this security robot happens to be built/operated/etc. by some guy who just happens to know Mal as if he already has a grudge against him. Then we never even find out who this guy is... Mal doesn't even ever learn/see who the guy is in issue 3 before the guy is killed(?) So one big question.

Then some other guy who they try to offload the security robot to, who again we never know who this guy is or how they know him, sends them to get some money out of a temple that just happens to be millions? Where did that money come from and why did that guy give it up? Or did Mal's plan actually start BEFORE even finding the money? Did Mal know they were going to find it? Was that part of his plan? Big questions number 2-5.

Then this security robot leaves some type of microscopic bugs behind so it can be tracked by guy who we don't know who he is. Spa worker removes{?) some type of little "bug" from Kaylee's fingernail. Or was that spa worker PLACING the bug? Was this the same tracer from the security robot? Why didn't said spa worker tell Kalyee that she has some microscopic chip under her fingernail? Big question 6, 7 and 8.

What's up with Simon and Inara? Big question 9.

Dust Devil Hunter guy (Spadra? Spike? something like that) ends up letting Mal AND Zoe go? AND doesn't care that Wash decked him? River knocks out someone (One of Spike's guys?) on Serenity but Kaylee and Simon don't know anything about it? Did River throw the guy off the ship also without anyone knowing? IF they did know.. wouldn't they wonder how she could subdue a solider like thta? After all.. she's only a 90 lb. weakling at this point for all they know. Big questions 10, 11 and 12?

Ok.. then Big questions 13-20 are all the ones above about people questioning who tiped the guys off where the money was? Excatly why? How they did it? WHO it was? etc..

Then question 21 and 22.. is if they are in Inara's shuttle going back to Serenity and they see a car speeding away.. HOW did they know that was someone stealing the money? Was that a slip from Jayne? Was Jayne in on it? Not saying he was the mastermind behind it.. but how would he know that a hover car speading away had stolen the money? Then the biggest question.. hmm.. they are in a shuttle? Why the frack didn't they go AFTER THEM????

Then Inara seems to call Mal out on having the money stolen to keep the crew together, and she thinks it's sweet? Maybe from Mal's perspective... but wouldn't she also feel the selfishness in denying everyone else the chance to do what THEY want to do with their lives? I don't think that Inara would have been quite that forgiving of Mal to do that to everyone else, even if she understood it on some level.

I think especially that last scene with Mal and Inara just didn't come accross right on paper.

I don't mind questions being left unanswered.. but I don't think that these th

PLATONIST

Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:51 PM

I'm really not sure if I'm comfortable with this episode now that I've had time to reread all three issues and look for subtle clues in the text. It's flawed, yes, but most of all I'm sensing that Joss and Brett tried to pack too much in a comic book because they didn't have the opportunity to do it on film over 7 years.

Most of all it has me questioning all that I understood about the characters, i.e., their true loyalty to the ship and how it differs from Mal's and in some ways Inara's since all of their fantasies were about them being off the ship. No wonder Mal was disappointed and questioning what their new fortune was doing to the crew. I'm just glad they pulled together at the end. Or, am I again rescuing Mal’s not so heroic act?

And, the revelation of Zoë being a Dust Devil, after the war, and NOT teaming up with Mal as most of us thought is contradicting.

Also, Mal's motives are in contrast to what we see in the movie where his emotional distance from the crew is very apparent. He is breaking away from them. And his conflict with Simon starts to take on a whole new meaning when you toss in Inara's declaration of needing Simon as a Doctor (if I read that right). Gosh, the look on Mal's face when she tosses him that crumb. To bad we couldn't have seen that on film.

And Simon's reaction to Kaylee's mentioning of Inara's name was strange and begs the question? Does he have a history of falling in love with his patients (River and Inara) as the unquestionable healer?

Is anyone else processing this new material as changing our perception of the canon? Did Joss purposely want to dispel fanon myths? Or is the comic series without any real substance? I’m curios to how others are interpreting these new additions to the time space continuum in this verse.

And to those of you that know me as an English teacher…these questions aren’t on the final as I’m not grading this. (lol)

SMAUG

Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:32 AM

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Is anyone else processing this new material as changing our perception of the canon? Did Joss purposely want to dispel fanon myths? Or is the comic series without any real substance? I’m curios to how others are interpreting these new additions to the time space continuum in this verse.
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I agree.. although I enjoyed it.. lots of things just don't sit quite right. Agreed that it just seems like too much was thrown into this one story arc.. and on top of all the questions I mentioned above, I didn't even mention how it fits into the existing storyline. That's the problem with going backwards from our current frame of mind to tell a story. Like whatever is up with Simon and Inara (I'm assuming it's some medical thing and not anything else.. or at least it's not sex). But whatever it is.. has this been resolved before the movie? Or come the movie time.. does Mal still not know why Simon was in Inara's shuttle?

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ANONYMOUS1

Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:34 AM

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Then question 21 and 22.. is if they are in Inara's shuttle going back to Serenity and they see a car speeding away.. HOW did they know that was someone stealing the money? Was that a slip from Jayne? Was Jayne in on it? Not saying he was the mastermind behind it.. but how would he know that a hover car speading away had stolen the money?

Got this one.

Speeding hovercar is speeding away from Serenity with several large bags of money. The bags just happen to be the same color as the hovercar.

NBZ

Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:03 AM

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Most of all it has me questioning all that I understood about the characters, i.e., their true loyalty to the ship and how it differs from Mal's and in some ways Inara's since all of their fantasies were about them being off the ship.

It kind of crushes the romanticism with firefly many in the fandom suffer from.

Most of the new info totally fits in with what I suspected, so I am not too puzzled.

(I have in the past created topics here and elsewhere arguing some points which I do believe this comic series sort of agrees with... call it an acid test passed without too much Damage. I did suggest that Kaylee would be willing to leave the ship - which many people thought was sacrilege.)

(ftr, the new Mal info is the bit that got burnt. I have never seen him as a hero type, but the why just does not gel for me. Too messy.)

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And, the revelation of Zoë being a Dust Devil, after the war, and NOT teaming up with Mal as most of us thought is contradicting.

For me, the Zoe and Mal NOT teaming up straight away kind of neatly fits in with how I thought it all went down. :P

In OoG flashback, Mal is trying to get a sceptical Zoe to buy into his plan. Wouldn't work as well if she was blindly following him from straight after the war.

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Did Joss purposely want to dispel fanon myths?

No idea. It does fit - show what the crew think. But then again he never killed Rayne, so I doubt it was too intentional a hit on badfic.

@ANonymous1 - that speeding vehicle does also beg a different question - why did they not give chase? They had weaponry. If Mal wanted to let them get away, he could have easily been "outvoted" by the others. Instead they just let it get away no questions asked.

(I am quite sure a shuttle is quicker than a normal (hover?)van)

GWEK

Monday, May 26, 2008 4:52 PM

Not commenting on any specific questions or comments here, but throwing out sort of a new idea:

Whedon and Minear have said that they originally wanted FIREFLY to be a much darker show than the one that Fox aired. Fox essentially "hero'd it up." I believe it's in the commentary for THE TRAIN JOB that Whedon says that he did not initially plan on Mal being the kind of guy who would give the drugs back right off the bad, but since that was the direction he was heading eventually, Whedon was okay with speeding up the character evolution a bit.

The movie is a bit darker than the series on many counts, particularly with respect to Mal, BUT since it's a movie rather than a TV series, it lacks some of the subtlety we're used to and is almost a caricature of the series in some ways. Nothing wrong with that, but you can't tell the same depth of story in 2 hours as in 22 episodes. It's basic storytelling math. So while Whedon DID get to touch on his "darker" Firefly in SERENITY, he's a little constrained by the story that he's telling--which was designed to a) answer some of the big questions of the series, and b) hopefully pull in a big enough audience to make it a blockbuster.

In the comics, we have a whole different animal. This is Whedon's opportunity to tell whatever FIREFLY story he wants in whatever manner he wants, without studio intervention. Given that his original intention was for FIREFLY to be a bit grimmer than what we got, it's no surprise that some of what we see in the comic doesn't quite jibe with what we see in the series or the movie... and that it paints a slightly more unsavory view of the world and the characters.

No real point here. :) Just some food for thought.

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