The War on College Students
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Sunday, June 28, 2026 20:30
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Quote:Very possibly planted & laid out carefully by the authorities...?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Of course not, the guns were just decorations
Suspicious Chrisisall
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Yeah...
Now, normally, I'd be all for the Anarchy and such, but...
Well, I really don't like druggies. Sure, the Mary-Jay serves to calm the nerves, but the other shit... To put it to a type of perspective, I despise most smokers with a passion, and believe they should should sit down and stop bitching about their addiction. Now, you get all the shit out there... what takes away what makes humans human,what sucks the life out of most whatever it touches...
Yeah, I ain't one to see eye to eye with these kids. And they're maybe three years my seniors, mostly.
What I have to say to them: If your life is really that shitty that you need to escape like that, then find someone to die for, you lil' git.
Oh, and whoever called these kids "Heroic", I sure hope that was sarcasm.
-Danny
Late night, Brakes lock,
Hear the tires squeal,
Red light, can't stop, so I spin the wheel,
My world goes Black before I
Feel an Angel lift me up,
And I open Bloodshot eyes,
Into fluorescent White,
Flip the Siren, Hit the Lights,
Close the doors and I am Gone
The Band of the week is... Thrice
Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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Quote:Why? Because drug dealers never use guns?
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Very possibly planted & laid out carefully by the authorities...?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Of course not, the guns were just decorations
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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I'm a total Libertarian when it comes to drugs. If people want to commit suicide and they don't hurt others in the process, I don't have a problem with it. I can drive down to the store and buy the most dangerous drug(alcohol)in any quantity or potency I want. I can even drive under the influence of it if I don't pass the legal threshold. People that think alcohol is OK, but other drugs should be illegal are hypocrites. Heroin is no more destructive to the human body than alcohol. When addictive personalities get a taste of either there's a good chance they will end up dieing from abuse, but that's just one of the prices you pay to live in a free society. I don't believe legalization would reduce drug use, but it would definitely reduce drug crime. Prohibition of drugs has resulted in the creation of a world wide criminal network that could be destroyed over night by legalization. It will never happen though because I'm sure the drug lords would just pour money into anti-drug campaigns and politicians pockets if they thought there was any chance of legalization.
As far as why the students had guns, it's the same reason the rest of us do, self protection. Selling drugs is an dangerous business and if rival dealers or violent criminals find out were your stash is, they'll kill you to steal it.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Well that’s asinine.
Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:Well, a closed mind is a closed mind.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
...So as far as I’m concerned there is no responsible prohibition argument to be made here.
How so? It's certainly not a baseless accusation. You refuse to address, or even listen to, arguments against prohibition because you've already decided there aren't any. That's the very definition of a closed mind. Yet you continue to spout off in the thread, all the while with your fingers planted firmly in your ears. Now that's asinine.
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Of course not, the guns were just decorations
Yeah. Some gun stash. I don't know about your neighborhood, but where I live (middle-class, whitebread, suburbia) if you arrest 96 people at random and search their houses, you'll come up with a lot more than a shotgun and three pistols. And you know the cops were looking. By any accounting this was a remarkably unarmed gang of dangerous criminals.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:It’s a baseless accusation. It’s basically just you justifying your fanaticism, because you certainly can’t use any sort reasonable arguments to do so. Sometimes, bullshit is just bullshit.
Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:How so? It's certainly not a baseless accusation. You refuse to address, or even listen to, arguments against prohibition because you've already decided there aren't any. That's the very definition of a closed mind. Yet you continue to spout off in the thread, all the while with your fingers planted firmly in your ears. Now that's asinine.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Well that’s asinine.
Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:Well, a closed mind is a closed mind.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
...So as far as I’m concerned there is no responsible prohibition argument to be made here.
Quote:It wouldn’t make any difference whether it was only one gun. These weren’t middle class home owners protecting themselves. These were drug dealers. There nothing unarmed about a drug dealer with a gun.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Yeah. Some gun stash. I don't know about your neighborhood, but where I live (middle-class, whitebread, suburbia) if you arrest 96 people at random and search their houses, you'll come up with a lot more than a shotgun and three pistols. And you know the cops were looking. By any accounting this was a remarkably unarmed gang of dangerous criminals.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s a baseless accusation. It’s basically just you justifying your fanaticism, because you certainly can’t use any sort reasonable arguments to do so.
Heh.. right. It's fanatical to reconsider failing government policy. Really whacky stuff.
You sit here and stubbornly claim, that no matter how much evidence is provided to show that prohibition causes more suffering than the drug abuse it claims to prevent, you'll not consider that it might be bad law. Uh huh.. I'm the fanatic. I see.
I can understand if you just disagree with the arguments presented. But at the very suggestion of an alternative approach, your brain goes into lockdown. So that's why I haven't really even tried to make the argument. If you decide to get back to thinking, we'll discuss it. Or you can go watch that vid. But I know you won't, so nevermind.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:I’m a libertarian on drugs as well, but why does that have to mean I have to accept drug dealers without restriction? Since when does legalization of drugs mean drugs are allowed on campuses? Or allowed to be sold by armed street dealers? Just because drugs are legal won’t make them good. And this is really the biggest problem with the legalization issue. Even if these drugs were legal, the nature of these kinds of drugs would dictate that they should not be allowed on campuses or sold by students on campuses and certainly not sold to high school students. There would still have to be regulation, which would still require felony charges to enforce them. And there is the nature of the drugs themselves. Heroin is far worse then alcohol, but this desire to view it as tantamount to alcohol simply because of one’s sociopolitical opinions concerning the criminal activity of drug dealing is an unreasonable position. Heroin, regardless of ones views on its legality, is a powerful drug; far more powerful then alcohol. The biggest problem with the legalization argument is the lack of maturity of that argument. Legalization proponents want to legalize drugs, but they want to ignore the danger of these drugs. I’m a proponent of legalization, but in my mind, the legalization argument cannot be decoupled from the regulation argument.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm a total Libertarian when it comes to drugs. If people want to commit suicide and they don't hurt others in the process, I don't have a problem with it. I can drive down to the store and buy the most dangerous drug(alcohol)in any quantity or potency I want. I can even drive under the influence of it if I don't pass the legal threshold. People that think alcohol is OK, but other drugs should be illegal are hypocrites. Heroin is no more destructive to the human body than alcohol. When addictive personalities get a taste of either there's a good chance they will end up dieing from abuse, but that's just one of the prices you pay to live in a free society. I don't believe legalization would reduce drug use, but it would definitely reduce drug crime. Prohibition of drugs has resulted in the creation of a world wide criminal network that could be destroyed over night by legalization. It will never happen though because I'm sure the drug lords would just pour money into anti-drug campaigns and politicians pockets if they thought there was any chance of legalization.
As far as why the students had guns, it's the same reason the rest of us do, self protection. Selling drugs is an dangerous business and if rival dealers or violent criminals find out were your stash is, they'll kill you to steal it.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:You’ve not provided any such evidence. You’ve simply used baseless accusations to avoid providing that evidence. Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s a baseless accusation. It’s basically just you justifying your fanaticism, because you certainly can’t use any sort reasonable arguments to do so.
Heh.. right. It's fanatical to reconsider failing government policy. Really whacky stuff.
You sit here and stubbornly claim, that no matter how much evidence is provided to show that prohibition causes more suffering than the drug abuse it claims to prevent, you'll not consider that it might be bad law. Uh huh.. I'm the fanatic. I see.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You’ve not provided any such evidence. You’ve simply used baseless accusations to avoid providing that evidence. Thanks for proving my point.
Jesus Finn, did you even read my post? Did you understand it? Do I need to type slower? I said I wasn't going to waste time arguing the points with you when you preface your posts with claims that you won't even consider the arguments anyway, that you think they're unreasonable before you even read them. Why should I bother? If you change your mind on that, I'd love to discuss it.
Regardless, there are several well supported points in the video that I don't want to completely replicate here. If it's just too much of a burden for you to watch it, I could summarize, but not if you have no intention of even considering the points made.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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