Maybe we, the collective fans, could buy the rights to Firefly from FOX
POSTED BY: Penthos
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 21:07
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Originally posted by pdcharles:
Do a google search for "Ace Underhill". U don't even have to type "Firefly" in there. You'll see the biggest attempt I know of. A huge stink was raised, articles were written, interviews were done, Joss was contacted. ...and on and on and on and on...
Speaking of dood, anynone remember the live chat "Q&A" session he held. Hi-larious.
Dood even has an IMDB listing now, so contacting him may be doable. Maybe he can shed some light on the obstacles and pains delving into this project can lead to.
Ok, I am so glad that you posted this because what Ace was trying to do is completely different from what I had in mind...
Ace wanted to own the rights and produce the show on the internet with his own production company or whatever...
I wouldn't want the fans to own the rights. No way! My thought was that if we could obtain the rights from Fox we would immediately give them to Joss\Mutant Enemy... With the rights secured from Fox I believe that Joss would be able to get another Network to buy new episodes or direct-to-DVD movies just for the DVD sales revenue.
It would be easier if Joss knew how much money he needed to get the rights from Fox. Then he could put a donate button on Whedonesque.com and probably have the money within a year...
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Originally posted by Penthos:Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:
Do a google search for "Ace Underhill". U don't even have to type "Firefly" in there. You'll see the biggest attempt I know of. A huge stink was raised, articles were written, interviews were done, Joss was contacted. ...and on and on and on and on...
Speaking of dood, anynone remember the live chat "Q&A" session he held. Hi-larious.
Dood even has an IMDB listing now, so contacting him may be doable. Maybe he can shed some light on the obstacles and pains delving into this project can lead to.
Ok, I am so glad that you posted this because what Ace was trying to do is completely different from what I had in mind...
Ace wanted to own the rights and produce the show on the internet with his own production company or whatever...
I wouldn't want the fans to own the rights. No way! My thought was that if we could obtain the rights from Fox we would immediately give them to Joss\Mutant Enemy... With the rights secured from Fox I believe that Joss would be able to get another Network to buy new episodes or direct-to-DVD movies just for the DVD sales revenue.
It would be easier if Joss knew how much money he needed to get the rights from Fox. Then he could put a donate button on Whedonesque.com and probably have the money within a year...
I didn't realize how big this really was as I love the series and the movie, but never looked into the fan base. The main idea was the same for what I was looking for. Here is what I have so far from the info on all the videos and what I could get here.
Joss has the ability to move the rights from the f-network, so we really don't need to worry about that. What we need to organize and prepair to show the incomming network how we feel.
I have read and seen that Joss and all the crew would be willing to do this again, but for me to act (and I would) I would need that in writing.
step one - there are two many sites spreading the browncoats up so it is hard to truely see our numbers. One site with a database that all the others go to for people to put in their first, last, and email. This would be a running database.
step two - Once the database reaches a certain amount, Joss would need to be contacted and a personal interview would need to be set for the purposed network. At this point we throw up the challenge. We get the extimated dollars of one season (which we would really know before hand). Then we make a deal in this challenge.
"If we can get X amount of dollars within 2 weeks you give us 2 seasons of firefly minimal. If we don't you won't here from us again"
Joss sets and account for us before the interview(this is not begging on his part, this is us wanting) and we fill it up. If there is enough of us out there wanting this we will make it, and plans can begin to start season 2.
I know I left details out, but this is getting long. Planning and timing are important as I would not go to the network knowing that we would loose. We would know the numbers before I got there.
This can easily be done if there is enough of us. I am a troubleshooter by profession and was taught that I can do anything I put my mind to. This can work. I will post a thread with better details and contact information once my research is complete.
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Sounds like a something to try... Can't wait to hear more.
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Everyone buy a lottery ticket and if you win? If I won that is what I'd do. That was a joke. I'd give money to get her (Serenity) flying again
"They're whores"..."I'm in"!
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The Enterprise show fans raised like a million or so dollars and then things went bad.
makton,
It is the fans raising money to TELL the Hollywood studios what to do that is scary to Hollywood. They do not want fans to tell them what to do. They do not want Directors to tell them what to do. They do not want writers to tell them what to do. They do not want actors to tell them what to do.
We do not want to scare Hollywood away from Joss and the actors.
Joss is experimenting outside the Hollywood studio system with Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. But at the same time, he is working within the studio system with Dollhouse. And all the actors are working within the studio system except for Nathan working with Joss on Doctor Horrible. Nathan has been in some independent films like Waitress and Trucker. Fox Searchlight picked up Waitress. So that is still in the studio system.
WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT RUIN THINGS FOR JOSS AND THE ACTORS.
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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
The Enterprise show fans raised like a million or so dollars and then things went bad.
makton,
It is the fans raising money to TELL the Hollywood studios what to do that is scary to Hollywood. They do not want fans to tell them what to do. They do not want Directors to tell them what to do. They do not want writers to tell them what to do. They do not want actors to tell them what to do.
We do not want to scare Hollywood away from Joss and the actors.
Joss is experimenting outside the Hollywood studio system with Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. But at the same time, he is working within the studio system with Dollhouse. And all the actors are working within the studio system except for Nathan working with Joss on Doctor Horrible. Nathan has been in some independent films like Waitress and Trucker. Fox Searchlight picked up Waitress. So that is still in the studio system.
WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT RUIN THINGS FOR JOSS AND THE ACTORS.
It would be nice if you would explain how things went bad. The idea is not as much the money as showing the amount to people wanting the show back. Also none of the collabrations you have stated show any chance or progress that another series would continue or that they are even working on it.
The current tactics being use (and I also employ) are really only seen by marketing specialists which already know what we are doing, and just count the tactics has more money for them without having to do a thing (this makes us look like suckers).
The action which I am looking into starting is a bit more direct and would interest the studios becuase of the way it would be accomplished and not the actual effect produced. People are always interested in making deals and the seeing challenges. I feel a studio seeing such determination in such a large scale group would embrace the challenge and enjoy the publicity which would come out of it, hence, bringing their ratings up.
I'm still gathering information regarding studio functions, costs, specific details I missed in the series and mechanics which would be used in the starting website. There is a lot to do which I'm still working out.
The fans are what gives shows their ratings and sends a studio is a certian direction. There is a difference between scaring and enlighting them. Lastly, were all the cast and crew of Enterprise behind all the fans? I believe they are for Firely.
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Originally posted by makton:
It would be nice if you would explain how things went bad.
I didn't explain because I can't remember what went wrong on fans paying to continue Enterprise.
People brought the issue up when the Firefly fan mentioned started collecting money for continuing Firefly.
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Originally posted by makton:
The idea is not as much the money as showing the amount to people wanting the show back.
# of fans that's okay. Especially since what I've read is that it is the money thing that is scary to Hollywood. Hollywood has plenty of money. The problem isn't a lack of money in Hollywood. The problem is that Hollywood doesn't think it will make enough return on an investment FAST enough on a product.
Universal probably thinks we are close to 70,000 fans because that is what the their original Serenity Browncoat board had when they turned it over to Gossi. And the UniversalHD board has only "We have 2,680 registered members".
I'm hoping the Serenity: Better Days comic books have some good numbers. That is the next thing that we will have sales figures for unless DVD sales get back on the lists.
When you are researching, could you find out how much it would cost to build a Serenity ship movie production set. In LA. And keep open for a couple of years. You know for web-episodes, weddings, shindigs, etc.
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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
When you are researching, could you find out how much it would cost to build a Serenity ship movie production set. In LA. And keep open for a couple of years. You know for web-episodes, weddings, shindigs, etc.
Umm..... I like that idea:) The property would be the most expensive being in LA, so another location might work better. Luckly the ship is not that big. I'll look into it. Thanks.
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Didn't Joss say in response to a previous effort that he wouldn't work under those conditions - that he didn't want to work for thousands of bosses - and if fans raised the funds - that's how he'd feel... I'm sure someone who was around at the time can fill in the details.
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Not what I was looking for, but found this archive re: a previous effort.
I got lots of well thought out responses and flames for our fund-raising idea to re-light Firefly. It brought out a lot of bitterness in people that I simply did not expect. It also brought a lot of generosity and love I didn't fully expect either.
We stopped taking donations today, not because of the bitterness, but because of a television producer who got a hold of me and taught me a little more about the inside of the television world. It was an authentic perspective I was not aware of.
It's about not being an albatross around Joss' neck. A lot of decisions in Film/TV are made on an emotional level. We were approaching this entirely from a logical level (nerds that we are). It was made clear to me that a decision maker would react badly to fan's money being involved in the production no matter how it was presented.
So, after a night of tossing and turning, I woke up this morning and decided to close down the fund-riasing portion of our campaign before it got really big and impossible to stop. I just completed refunding everyone's money. I closed the account so no more money would come in.
We do have several other ideas to continue our campaign and help with DVD sales and marketing those numbers to the decision makers. Our campaign has just begun, now with an even stronger front. I hope to partner with other Browncoats in the 'verse to make this happen.
Again, thank you all for your input and support. Look for an update by early next week!
Andrew Schultz
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Talie,
Yes, that is it exactly. We are thinking logically. Logically, we could do this ourselves if it was only about money.
It is about Power. Control. Fear.
We don't want to scare Hollywood away from Joss and/or the actors. We don't want to scare Hollywood away from Firefly/Serenity. A studio could suddenly wake up and realize there is enough money to be made in the 'verse.
I'm mean like Joss is working in the same buildings as the Fox DVD production people. And Universal just bought up the rights to turn Dark Horse comics into movies and they own rights to Serenity and Dark Horse produced the Serenity: Better Days comics.
Joss is the first big show runner to do webepisodes on his own. A writer, director, and producer. Others have done it but are not as well known as Joss. Webepisodes aren't considered real TV. Doctor Horrible might just change that.
Did you know Nathan (Our Captain) Fillion just sold a pilot to ABC?
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