McCain now ahead of Obama and Clinton
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 19:07
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Someone may have asked this question already, but aren't the Democrats mobilizing way more voters in their primaries than McCain has been? If so, I don't think the Democrats can be counted out of the race. Once they pick out a candidate, won't those multitudes vote (likely) democrat in the general election? They seem passionate about their candidates and ready to get out of their houses and vote. Does McCain inspire that level of passion? Will the people who say they'll vote for McCain in surveys, actually get out of their houses and vote on election day?
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Quote:Malachite, hush! Don't ruin all their fun.
Originally posted by Malachite:
Someone may have asked this question already, but aren't the Democrats mobilizing way more voters in their primaries than McCain has been? If so, I don't think the Democrats can be counted out of the race. Once they pick out a candidate, won't those multitudes vote (likely) democrat in the general election? They seem passionate about their candidates and ready to get out of their houses and vote. Does McCain inspire that level of passion? Will the people who say they'll vote for McCain in surveys, actually get out of their houses and vote on election day?
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:Malachite, hush! Don't ruin all their fun.
Originally posted by Malachite:
Someone may have asked this question already, but aren't the Democrats mobilizing way more voters in their primaries than McCain has been? If so, I don't think the Democrats can be counted out of the race. Once they pick out a candidate, won't those multitudes vote (likely) democrat in the general election? They seem passionate about their candidates and ready to get out of their houses and vote. Does McCain inspire that level of passion? Will the people who say they'll vote for McCain in surveys, actually get out of their houses and vote on election day?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Oh! Sorry.
Please ignore my comment then.
These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along...
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I guess the only real question is....will there be enough time (10 weeks) to heal for the half of the Democrats that are gonna be devastated & distraught when their candidate doesn't get the nomination at the Convention? I seriously doubt that 100% of either the Hillary or the Obama people are gonna switch to t'other. A lot of these first-time newly-registered folks are going to be very dis-illusioned by the process with the Super Delegates that comes out of Denver, and will choose to stay home on Election Day. The only bright spot in this battle for me is that I'm seeing more of James Carville on the tube lately. He is one insane, yet incredibly charming, smart, and interesting fellow. He's on Hillary's last line of defense....if anybody can woo the Supers, he can.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I guess the only real question is....will there be enough time (10 weeks) to heal for the half of the Democrats that are gonna be devastated & distraught when their candidate doesn't get the nomination at the Convention? I seriously doubt that 100% of either the Hillary or the Obama people are gonna switch to t'other. A lot of these first-time newly-registered folks are going to be very dis-illusioned by the process with the Super Delegates that comes out of Denver, and will choose to stay home on Election Day. The only bright spot in this battle for me is that I'm seeing more of James Carville on the tube lately. He is one insane, yet incredibly charming, smart, and interesting fellow. He's on Hillary's last line of defense....if anybody can woo the Supers, he can.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see whether the enthusiasm of half the democrats for their candidate plus the desire of the other half of the democrats to get Republicans out of the oval office will be sufficient to beat McCain. In some ways, I think polls have very little predictive value at this point.
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I think you might be surprised just how partisan the Dems can be, Jongs. No Hillary supporter I've talked to--and I've talked to a ton--hates Obama. The Hillary supporters I've talked to would fall into the "dyed in the wool Dem" category--they'll vote for Obama if the party goes with him. Obama supporters on the other hand tend to have a mounting contempt for Hillary/Billary. If Hillary gets the nod, I could definitely see a bunch of Obama supporters staying home and getting drunk come November.
But seriously, as long as the Democratic nomination is hotly contested, Barack and Hillary will prolly poll at least 5 to 7 points worse than either would if they were alone in the Dem field (prolly a bunch more). As soon as the Dems get it together (and with Bill Richardson's endorsement coming out this week, they may just do it), I think you'll see a big, big bounce in support for the Dem nominee.
McCain is the ultimate "also ran." He won the Republican nomination because he was by far the least interesting and therefor least controversial candidate. But in the general election, the battlelines will be drawn, so to speak, and McCain's lackadaisical which-ever-way-the-Right-wing-wind-blows presence will no longer be an advantage.
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I think you might be surprised just how partisan the Dems can be, Jongs.
But seriously, as long as the Democratic nomination is hotly contested, Barack and Hillary will prolly poll at least 5 to 7 points worse than either would if they were alone in the Dem field (prolly a bunch more). As soon as the Dems get it together (and with Bill Richardson's endorsement coming out this week, they may just do it), I think you'll see a big, big bounce in support for the Dem nominee.
McCain is the ultimate "also ran." He won the Republican nomination because he was by far the least interesting and therefor least controversial candidate. But in the general election, the battlelines will be drawn, so to speak, and McCain's lackadaisical which-ever-way-the-Right-wing-wind-blows presence will no longer be an advantage.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
I can agree with your assessment here HK. Hillary "people" tend to be older and more moderate, and will transition to Obama fairly easily. It's the Obamacans that are the question. They tend to be younger and more radical in their zeal to see him as President. They don't have too much, if any, experience with losing, and their "group" reaction if Hillary gets the nod ought to prove quite interesting.
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Originally posted by Malachite:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I guess the only real question is....will there be enough time (10 weeks) to heal for the half of the Democrats that are gonna be devastated & distraught when their candidate doesn't get the nomination at the Convention? I seriously doubt that 100% of either the Hillary or the Obama people are gonna switch to t'other. A lot of these first-time newly-registered folks are going to be very dis-illusioned by the process with the Super Delegates that comes out of Denver, and will choose to stay home on Election Day. The only bright spot in this battle for me is that I'm seeing more of James Carville on the tube lately. He is one insane, yet incredibly charming, smart, and interesting fellow. He's on Hillary's last line of defense....if anybody can woo the Supers, he can.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see whether the enthusiasm of half the democrats for their candidate plus the desire of the other half of the democrats to get Republicans out of the oval office will be sufficient to beat McCain. In some ways, I think polls have very little predictive value at this point.
I agree. I can't see how Presidential polls at this point in time have any significance or basis for accuracy.
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Originally posted by antimason:
out of curiousity, will the two socialist democrats still swear under oath, on the bible, to uphold the constitution? or may i suggest secular humanism, the Koran, and the communist manifesto
I don't know - did the fascist Bush swear under oath on his copy of Mein Kampf?
Should I really give a fuck what book they swear on, as long as they actually UPHOLD THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION?!
Mike
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