Torchwood/ Doctor Who; Derivative much?
POSTED BY: SpaceAnJL
UPDATED: Monday, April 21, 2008 08:31
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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
Pushing Daisies is starting on ITV in the UK tonight... 20 mins in so far.
Now this bringing people back to life with a touch reminds me of something, although I think there was a metal gauntlet involved then...
Influential in turn?
That did occur to me, too - however, I've also read the 1995 novel "Distress" by Greg Egan, which features a scene in which a murder victim is revived so that they can be questioned: however the drugs and other techniques used are ultimately fatal, so its a short-lived revival.
What goes around, comes around...
Then there is all that "Lazerus, come forth!" business in that big thick, wordy book that some people are so keen on. No, not "Lord of the Rings", the other one...
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The trouble about calling Doctor Who derivative of Buffy is that there's 26 years of Doctor Who before Buffy had even picked up her first stake.
Animated puppets? Been there, done that, been strangled by the phone cord. Lead characters turning bad (then good again)? Step forward Captain Yates. Regulars getting killed off? Go wipe out some dinosaurs Adric. Geeky fans as a self-textual commentary? It's all part of the greatest show in the galaxy.
What's really important is how good the show actually is and Doctor Who kicks arse.
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
The trouble about calling Doctor Who derivative of Buffy is that there's 26 years of Doctor Who before Buffy had even picked up her first stake.
True (even down to the feisty female assistants who can handle themselves in a fight, who were already taking over from the scream/twist ankle/get captured brigade in the original show).
- but I think the question is whether the *revived* Doctor Who and the *new* Torchwood has been influenced by Buffy etc. - and I think its pretty much an open secret that it has - although "derivative" is going too far - creativity relies on borrowing and improving ideas.
Its certainly picked up ideas about "story arc" structure from Buffy, B5 and other shows that post-date classic 'Who (the signs and portents were coming thick and fast last night) and merging a bit of "relationship drama" into the fantasy. They even nicked a goodly bit of Monty Python last night!
But that's not "derivative". Phillip Pullman was asked about suggestions that a certain Dr Who episode had borrowed from "His Dark Materials" (I think RTD has more or less admitted that) - he basically replied "That's how stories work. Stories are made out of other stories" and points out that he borrowed from Milton etc. for "Dark Materials".
Best link I can find is http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_7130000/newsid_7132700/713274
1.stm (Warning: kids site - bright colors alert! - also, if you make the connection then its a spoiler for "His Dark Materials"!)
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
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THEY KILLED TOSH! THOSE BASTARDS!!!
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WHY GOD WHY!!!!!
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Full moon waves
Slowly on the surface of the lake
You were there
Smiling in my arms for all those years
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I know what you mean. It wasn't hard to see Owen getting axed but Tosh's death came out of left field. I see why Jack feels guilty about his brother but I'm surprised he didn't execute Gray knowing he was the one to murder Tosh in cold blood. It was outright sadistic to gutshot her then walk away.
I don't see the Reaver connection someone else alluded to. I get the feeling that these beings are worse than Reavers. They torture for the sake of inflicting pain, allowing their victims to survive as long as possible.
I was wondering about Jack's mental state after being buried for 1900 years but DeepGirl satisfied my curiosity on that one.
What exactly does Jack intend for Gray? John is right, waking him up and hoping for him to be better is a pipedream. Maybe they coud do that whole mind erasure thing or something similar to what Angel did for Connor.
So who is going to fill the void left by Tosh and Owen? I heard rumblings that Martha may come back. I also heard a strange one about Mickey, I say strange because to my knowledge he's in another dimension.
All in all a damn fine finale...though I will miss seeing Tosh.
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Micky? Given that Rose appears to be walking between the worlds, it could happen. Martha is a strong possibility. And an outside recruit - would we like to see more Cap'n John? Yes, we would. I foresee a triangle with 'Eye Candy' Or possibly the pteradactyl...
Plus - this week's Who? Our old friend the amygdala popped up! I was not convinced about CT as Companion before, but am pleasantly surprised.
I'm all for borrowing from the best, personally. (As my readers may have gathered) And I think DT's Doctor would be a hoot in the FF 'Verse. (There are some very good fics about same over in fanfiction.net) Of course, it's now quite rare to see anything that doesn't have an ass-kicking heroine in it - yay Joss!
(I still want an Adipose - so cute!)
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