Impondeables: Trouble No More

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, February 11, 2008 6:46 PM

Just a title of a great Muddy Waters "love lost but thank god 'cause somethin' better just came along" song.

Thread previous:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=32522&m=583890#583890

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

PENGUIN

Monday, February 11, 2008 6:53 PM

*rushes in*

Firsties!!

*rushes out*

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, February 11, 2008 7:05 PM

Yay! Been a long time since Penguin grasped the firsties. Miss ya bud!

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Monday, February 11, 2008 7:14 PM

Penguin? Wow, long time no chat man. How's things?

*offers a hearty BCMW handshake thingy and a big bear hug to NvG*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

Dude, jerking off on my mom is one thing. But banging your grandmother and her roommates? That's like... legendary.

xBox 360 GamerTag: Swinger420

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, February 11, 2008 7:25 PM

Thank you much (BCMW thingy back) Been doin' okay? Seems the last few weeks seem to have been a bit of an ordeal.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

KELKHIL

Monday, February 11, 2008 7:30 PM

Hey RIMG and Penguin on the same day!

*Plots claiming this thread for the pondering Men*

How goes it all?

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:13 PM

*whaps Kelkhil* Nice try buddy!

HUGS Penguin tightly... oh you're in here too.... yippee!!! We have missed you so.

HUGS Jimi- you too sweety..

HUGS Nv ( just 'cause)

Ok back to teaching...

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Ain't Love GRAND!!!

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:18 PM

Look! A Penguin! I saw a Penguin!

There should be a song... here's a penguin / there's a penguin / and another little penguin...

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ZEEK

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:25 PM

I'm sleepy is it Saturday yet?

What's new folks? Are we pondering anything?

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:35 PM

Here's a ponder.

Is it just me...

...or does SMG look smoking hot there?

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KELKHIL

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
*whaps Kelkhil* Nice try buddy!

Ow! What was that for?!!! Oh hehehe yeah. I guess I typed that outloud.

Just figured that some times you Lasses get going and well most of us guys just stay out of the way 'til you're done. Figured it was our turn since we was the only ones posting.

((flees the crazy whappin' lady))

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

MOBBEX

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:57 PM

He with the chameleonic sig

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Here's a ponder.

Is it just me or does SMG look smoking hot there?

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You know, I believe you might be right.

MSB

Monday, February 11, 2008 8:59 PM

HUgs Kelkhil consolingly... sorry bad day and you were both handy and stupid... the whap better:)

HUGS DTH

HUGS Penguin again as I have missed you ever so much

Hey we could ponder would you rather be the actor onstage or a person in the audience and why???

Actor for me...love that spotlight and the applause!!

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Ain't Love GRAND!!!

ZEEK

Monday, February 11, 2008 9:02 PM

um...yes SMG looks hot there.

Audience for me. I'd rather be entertained than be the entertainer. I'm greedy. I don't care about entertaining others.

RUGBUG

Monday, February 11, 2008 10:58 PM

It's a Rugbug drive-by. In a dept. of 16 people, there are only 6 here today. Eek. I'm in charge of the monkey house. That's frightening.

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Here's a ponder.

Is it just me...

...or does SMG look smoking hot there?

All I see is a little red X so it's up to my mind to decide whether she looks hot. My answer: Sure, why not?

On stage or audience:

neither. One is too active and too much pressure. The other is too passive. How's that for a non-answer?

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MSB

Monday, February 11, 2008 11:00 PM

Rugbug- how about stage crew... active in that you are involved and keeping the show running, yet not on stage...

HUGS and good luck with the monkeys

The gym beckons ... ttfn:)

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MOBBEX

Monday, February 11, 2008 11:23 PM

He with the chameleonic sig

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
how about stage crew... active in that you are involved and keeping the show running, yet not on stage...
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Ain't Love GRAND!!!

Sounds like fun...

I tend to shy away from the spotlight.

It ruins my complexion

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:08 AM

Well, as a general rule I stay away from any bright light as I can feel myself getting darker and I'm not even in direct sunlight. Yep, only downside to summer. I en up, well, ya know, Cajun style.

Hiya Hippie!

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:58 PM

mornin' Imponderables.

Still not totally caught up on this board, that will be a while, if ever.

Not just 2 weeks of ordeal, it's been more like 2 months. I've gotta have some of the worst timing/luck goin' for me right now.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

Dude, jerking off on my mom is one thing. But banging your grandmother and her roommates? That's like... legendary.

xBox 360 GamerTag: Swinger420

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:29 PM

But I can imagine the sweet spots seem all the more sweeter. You'll have your ultimate victory bud. Just believe. Besides, how can Jimi possibly go long without having fun?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

(BCMW handshakeythingy for one of the shiniest Browncoats I know)

HUGS!

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

MSB

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:10 PM

HUGS Jimi... it'll get better I promise

NV aww but you're so cute dark ;)

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:53 PM

SO freakin' anxious.

WANTS TO SHOOTZ PEOPLES!!!

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

HOBBLEIT

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:01 PM

hi all

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HELL'S KITTEN

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:03 PM

^__^ hi, Hobbleit

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:43 PM

Heya Hobb. How's life treatin' ya?

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HOBBLEIT

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:48 PM

I'm bored and unemployed.

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ZEEK

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by hobbleit:
I'm bored and unemployed.

I think I'm boreder cause I am employed.

At least you have a small victory there.

HOBBLEIT

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:58 PM

I want to be employed but no-one wants to employ me :(

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:06 PM

What's keeping them from giving you a job?

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MSB

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:12 PM

You can have my job Hobbleit... it's like a hostage situation, only there are more rules and requirements....

Ok off to the principal's office AGAIN...sigh

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Ain't Love GRAND!!!

HOBBLEIT

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
What's keeping them from giving you a job?

my complete and total lack of any work experience. And I'm apparently too educated for most jobs.

Damn my education.

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ZEEK

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by hobbleit:
my complete and total lack of any work experience. And I'm apparently too educated for most jobs.

Damn my education.

Don't you love needing work experience to get work experience? The best thing I ever did was take a semester off to work for a company summer through fall one year in college. That got me the job I have now because they liked that I had work experience.

MSB

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:17 PM

That is insane... you can't get a job unless you have experience and you can't get experience without a job...hmm I say shooting rampage may solve that problem ( will create a whole new problem, but still)

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM

It is only omission if you leave off some of your education. Just getting your foot in the door might help out more than you think. Hell, I just get stir crazy not doing anything. Good luck Hobbs. If an uneducated pud like myself can bullshit his way into management then someone like yourself should have no problems climbing the ladder. Don't feel bad about stepping over bodies along the way (as long as you didn't cause their demise). Kharma really loves tugging at the nethers once you start leveling out with the upper echelon. And never be afraid to open the whoop ass can when needed. Assert yourself as a person willing to get the job done or to maintain for the long haul.

Rambling here. Sorry.

HUGS MSB because of her Admin's asshattery.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
SO freakin' anxious.

WANTS TO SHOOTZ PEOPLES!!!

Hey all! How's everything go-

*SPLAT*

Erk! Glah! Blefgh! Ptooy!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:19 PM

Howdy Hippie. Things ae getting heated and anxious here. Got so much I wanna do. Think the hibernation is over. Yay!

Oh, it ain't toxic. It just don't taste good.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:29 PM

*wiping face with a towel* I'm a peace loving hippie. I'm a peace loving hippie. I will not kill NVG. He's a very nice guy who makes MSB very happy and I'm a peace loving hippie...

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:32 PM

There ain't no killing involved. Shooting back is always welcome but I tend to turn on the stealth and return fire from another firing position.

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:43 PM

Return fire eh?

heh heh heh...

*wanders off to constuct armour and paintball sub machine gun*

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ZEEK

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Return fire eh?

heh heh heh...

*wanders off to constuct armour and paintball sub machine gun*

Zeek suggests a fire hose that sprays paint or perhaps some form of laser guided paint bomb.

MSB

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM

OK I am now going for cover.... giggle y'all are silly

HUGS Nv.. thanks

OK off to gym and home... have a nice night

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Ain't Love GRAND!!!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:05 PM

G'night MSB.

There are all manner of incredible weapons for the choosing out there. Can't go into it here as it takes up a ton of room but trust me, there are folks developing gatlings, UAV's, and robotic runs/mines all the gorram time.

Will be nice to the Hippie since she is ya know, peaceable and all. (Still watching my back though)

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:06 PM

*pushing paintball machine gun into thread*

You too MSB! See you soon!

*piles sandbags around paintball machine gun*

*takes position*

*aims*

*fires*

Hoo hoo hoo baby! This is kickass!

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ZEEK

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

Awwwww but I was really hoping for naked Saffron this Valentine's day. Well I guess it's the thought that counts.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

Awwwww but I was really hoping for naked Saffron this Valentine's day. Well I guess it's the thought that counts.

*rummages* Lemme see what I've got here...

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:57 PM

Okay, that's all of them I think... should be something for everyone!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:01 AM

"Companionship". Tee hee.

(Crawls in behind DTH as that is what he does)

I ain't evil enough to shoot folks from less than two or three meters. *tag*

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

KELKHIL

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:31 PM

(walks up behind NVG and places the barrel of his Tippman .68 Carbine on his shoulder)

I still remember how to do this stuff. How cool is that!

((steps back into the shadows))

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:18 PM

HUGS DTH... glad you threw in some Jayne else I'd be highly disappointed... you so rock!!

NV

HUGS Kelkhil

Ok I smell like Mexican food because I had to put dinner in the crock pot and spilled on myself... sigh

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ZEEK

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:37 PM

Mexican food smells yummy. Where's the problem?

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:57 PM

Well smelling like it all day is going to be weird, plus I don't really like smelling like cumin, chilies, onions, and such...

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:11 PM

You're welcome. And everyone is welcome to use them here or elsewhere. Share the love, people!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:37 PM

Good morning people. How's everyone this fine Wednesday.

GAWD I WISH IT WERE FRIDAY ALREADY!

Thursday will do. New marker day. Oh, and payday too.

Ya know Kelkhil, I gotta give props. There are still some guys who run about with the old carbines and pumps. I tend to take them out first 'cause they tend to be those sneaky ghost flanking ambushing cutthroat bastards. They make the game truly worth playing. HALO tactics (according to the way the kids play) just make for more targets. YAY FOR MORE TARGETS!

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
Well smelling like it all day is going to be weird, plus I don't really like smelling like cumin, chilies, onions, and such...

i once smelled like a recently deceased pig heart for most of a day at work.
so.
yeah.
could be worse. XD

(details deleted to protect the mad science)

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:51 PM

Oh Friday so can't get here soon enough!!!!

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KELKHIL

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Ya know Kelkhil, I gotta give props. There are still some guys who run about with the old carbines and pumps. I tend to take them out first 'cause they tend to be those sneaky ghost flanking ambushing cutthroat bastards. They make the game truly worth playing. HALO tactics (according to the way the kids play) just make for more targets. YAY FOR MORE TARGETS!

Yeah well when I used to play the Angel was just hitting the Market.

Loves my .68 Carbine.

Friend of mine still has his old VM68 (I think it was 68?).

We were actually talking a few weeks ago about "getting the band back together" so to speak and thrashing some young punks this spring.

Would be great if it happened.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:01 PM

Nothing boosts the manly feelings like putting pups in their place.

Ooh. Shooting Sunday. Manly feelings to follow. Yay!

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:04 PM

Ah MsB is a good resource. Can I get your opinion on this article? http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/790858,CST-NWS-isat13web.articl
e

Cause it just ticks me off. I understand that parents want to shield their kids, but they need every opportunity in life and speaking English is a big help for them. The earlier the kids are forced to get up to speed the better. It's going to be tough of course, but the kids will be better for it.

Holding them out of school is only going to get them to fall farther behind.

Am I missing something? Is the article not explaining things well enough? I'm sure you have a better perspective on stuff like this.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:37 PM

By no means an education expert here but wouldn't that point teachers in the right direction of what the kid actually needs to learn associated to English? Math sure is easy to learn since numbers are universal but once they get into having to learn rules and laws of math wouldn't the lack of language understanding hinder that learning? Just because their kids score low it does not mean their children are dumb. It means that they are given a chance to learn further by finding out what they still need to learn. Besides, if the parent are trying to naturalize don't they have to learn English anyways. Boo hoo, people moving in who can't press on because they can't or WON'T learn English. Sorry. Go home.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
By no means an education expert here but wouldn't that point teachers in the right direction of what the kid actually needs to learn associated to English? Math sure is easy to learn since numbers are universal but once they get into having to learn rules and laws of math wouldn't the lack of language understanding hinder that learning? Just because their kids score low it does not mean their children are dumb. It means that they are given a chance to learn further by finding out what they still need to learn. Besides, if the parent are trying to naturalize don't they have to learn English anyways. Boo hoo, people moving in who can't press on because they can't or WON'T learn English. Sorry. Go home.

*ding* *ding* *ding*

See this is how I feel. The low score is a wake up call. How long do you think they can go before the lack of English skills start hurting them in every subject? I don't know how classes are taught these days. Maybe there really is a bilingual focus of some kind, but eventually they need to get caught up.

I just feel like the parents are really hurting this situation. By making it a big deal they are basically sending a message to their kids that they should resist learning English. The children will believe their parents are right and think that they shouldn't have to learn English.

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:25 PM

Well it's like this Zeek.. if I take you to Russia and you've been there a year you probably speak well enough to talk to people, but what about all the school words. All the scientific terms occluded, oxidation, organic, paleomagnetic, orbital, permeability, photosphere, refractive index, regional metamorphism, ... could you learn all these scientific terms, all the math terms product, quotient, independent variable, mantissa,
and learn what they mean in 2 different languages ??? all in time to take a test??? in less than 6 months after you've started the school year? Because after a year in a country you have about 20,000 words in your vocab. Each school year you learn about 6,000 new terms... it's impossible to master this volume of information while you are still trying to learn the language, customs, expectations, and everything else in your new school. You can learn to speak conversation English well in a year, but to learn all the conversational stuff, all the school stuff, proper grammar( which has a structure very different from your own) learn to write on a grade level above while still trying to understand the irrational logic of i before e except after c and in the case where the elongated vowel is subceeded by a consonant.... come on that's impossible
They are just asking that the test not be given to kids who have been here so short a time. Plus , as teachers we're penalized because we have to teach them the language, teach them the subject matter, and teach and entirely different school and social structure in less than 7 months ( because the testing happens in April not at the end of the school year) so I agree with the parents....

They aren't asking not to take the test, merely to not have kids who have spoken this language for less than 2 years not have to take it in English... because one year is not long enough to learn an entire language and master all the academic concepts involved too.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:43 PM

thanks, MsB.
it's nice to have it outlined like that.

besides, english and grammar is am lames.

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:46 PM

HUSG Hk yes it are

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:14 PM

hey everyone.

I am not at work today due to a stomach bug I woke up with. I am feeling better now, but I didn't want y'all to worry, so please don't. I'll be back to my normal (if you can call it that ) self tomorrow I am sure.

*glomps the sexeh hippie*

*attempts to sneak up and tacklehug HK*

*snuggles MsB*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

Dude, jerking off on my mom is one thing. But banging your grandmother and her roommates? That's like... legendary.

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MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:16 PM

HUGS Jimi... now get back in bed and let Amanda get you some juice...

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ZEEK

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:52 PM

MsB so you're saying they just want to be exempt for a while? I guess that's OK, but to me it still seems like they are behind. The test will reflect that. Now if that means the school loses funding then that's not cool (I take it that's some part of it too). Still I think the parents and students should see the low scores to see what a huge hurdle is ahead of them and make goals of how much they need to improve by the next round of tests. It's not worth freaking out over a low score, but it's good to know where you're at. Especially if they give you the relative score compared to others at that grade level.

HOBBLEIT

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
It is only omission if you leave off some of your education. Just getting your foot in the door might help out more than you think. Hell, I just get stir crazy not doing anything. Good luck Hobbs. If an uneducated pud like myself can bullshit his way into management then someone like yourself should have no problems climbing the ladder. Don't feel bad about stepping over bodies along the way (as long as you didn't cause their demise). Kharma really loves tugging at the nethers once you start leveling out with the upper echelon. And never be afraid to open the whoop ass can when needed. Assert yourself as a person willing to get the job done or to maintain for the long haul.

My friend suggested that but then I'd have to explain the gaping hole that three years at university would create.

My friend had this whole story worked out about living in a remote part of Mongolia with a nomad aunt who ahd no phone.

He overthinks things sometimes

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MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:19 PM

Yup Zeek... kids don't pass,school loses money, and teachers get fired.
Plus these kids aren't behind at all... they just haven't managed to simultaneously learn all the academic concepts in English and their home language. What the parents want is the test given in their language so the kids can show they've mastered the concepts( which they likely have) I am serious,if I left you in Russia and came back in 7 months and expected you to learn all the language you needed to communicate and all the concepts of an entire grade level and all the vocabulary that came with those concepts in Russian in that time there's no way you could do it...That's why they are saying it's unfair. The kids aren't behind. They just had 7 months to learn a language considered one of the 3 most difficult in the world and learn all the academic concepts.... so that's not behind at all. They know the concepts, they just need to be tested in their own language to prove it because they haven't had time to learn both the concepts and the language.

I mean seriously Zeek are you telling me you could learn an entire language, and cultural references( like every fairy tale, religious story, important movie, political figures, and anything else that we all share as common knowledge...and is on the test), and a years worth of academic concepts, and all the vocabulary of the academic concepts and then take a test and score an 85% or better ( that would be passing by the way) in 7 months with only 7 hours a day???
Also that's 989,614 totally new words to learn by the way.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:33 PM

also... it seems kinda dumb to take a test you and everyone else knows you're going to fail just so everyone can see the report that you failed. where's the benefit in that?

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:52 PM

Of course I couldn't learn all that. In fact I bet I'd be horribly behind where you think I would be. I'm awful at foreign languages. Though I still think the language barrier would mean I would be significantly behind all the native speakers and that the test should show that. I mean why would anyone hire me in Russia if I can't even communicate to them that I know concepts about anything? I'd clearly be way behind the native speakers.

The teachers getting fired and funding being pulled seems like a major problem with the system. It's just not fair to say it's the teacher's fault. There's a major learning curve and these kids are at the beginning of it. There's nothing wrong with it but it's a reality.

MSB

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:41 PM

yup so it's just set up to make all teachers look bad and make students feel like failures... so obviously a great idea:)

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HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Though I still think the language barrier would mean I would be significantly behind all the native speakers and that the test should show that.

the test would only show the true(r) measure of your knowledge if it were given to you in your native language. if it is not in your native language, the test is first and foremost measuring how well you understand this new language. the material actually learned and comprehended in school is secondary, at best.

if it is not an english comprehension examination, then english should be removed from the equation to bring the test to a fair, unbaised equilibrium.

i can explain all the rules and regulations enforced by the FDA regarding medical devices, i know many of the requirements set by the international standards organisation for these devices, i know how to design and develop cardiac implants, i know many of the principles of engineering, etc. but i would never be able to pass an exam if it were in, say, spanish or norwegian. an exam in a different language neither negates my knowledge base nor proves that i learned less than others who are fluent in that language.

it's really quite simple.

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:46 AM

Beautifully put HK:)

But No Child Left Behind has absolutely no interest in what is fair...why else would I be judged on how well I can make this years 7th graders outperform last years ( keeping in mind that the average IQ of my kids last year was 90 and this year it's 76) so no chance my kids will make AYP ( adaquate yearly progress) this year...which is why I will be identified as a failing teacher...yippeee!!!

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MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:31 PM

Wow I killed the thread with my rambling diatribe... oops

HUGS to all

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:46 PM

*bigassjimibearhuggles MsB*

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:56 PM

*snugglehugs Jimi* feeling better sweety???

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:34 PM

Okay Ponderers (or Imponeables as the thread states after me trying to fix it too many times) I'm sincerely wishing everyone a Happy Valentines Day. I have a deep fondness for each and every one of you and I just want you all to know it.

Instead of reflecting on the shitty reoccurances since the fifth grade I'm sharing what I'm doing to celebrate with myself.

Retail therapy (as MSB puts it):

Theater therapy:

I might even take myself to dinner.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:37 PM

HUGS NV...ooh retail therapy is a must:) Am getting a bit of that myself ( new outfit for Friday...giggle)

OK cheering up... sorry for being such a sour puss:)

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ZEEK

Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:38 PM

HK, I think we're just looking at the tests differently. I would think keeping them English would be a good macro overview of how prepared they are to function in US society. Changing them to other languages would give a micro view of specific subjects. It all depends on the goal of the tests.

Anyway this subject appears to be killing the thread so let's talk about idiots and how annoying they are. Like when they decide it's a great idea to back down an aisle in a parking lot without looking behind them and ignoring the person's horn they're about to hit. grrrr

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:46 PM

ooh Zeek were you the one who got hit?? ( and on a side note the tests are meant to measure their progress in science, math, and such)

At least it's not mother nature out to get you..
My poor friend Brian decided to take his new car on a road trip... first he was struck by lightning and the car was totaled. Insurance grumbled a bit, but replaced the car. Then he was continuing on and was hit by a freak late spring hail storm and the new replacement car was totaled. Insurance company really grumbled, but replaced the car yet again... then as he neared Utah, he took a mountain road and a deer leaped out, landed on his hood, and destroyed the car... insurance company grumbled, tripled his rates, replaced the car again and warned him that one more accident and he would be "uninsurable"... we all believe that he has pissed off mother nature and now no one will go camping with him for fear of moose stampede or freak salmon attack

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:58 PM

Ouch, MSB! Poor guy! Why is mother nature suddenly being such a... well, mother with him?

I saw Cloverfield! I quite enjoyed it, actually. And for all the handheld camera stuff, the special effects were very big and very fun. It's an enjoyable movie, hope you like it!

Banners, Avatars, LJ Icons and other fun stuff at www.desktophippie.com
Valentines Day banners posted last year in the Blue Sun Room. Click on my profile to find them!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:07 PM

I just see todays stuff as a grand distraction since I'm so hyped for the weekend.

Ooh. Just looked out the window.

Blue skies
Smiling at me
Nothing but blue skies
Do I see

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
*snugglehugs Jimi* feeling better sweety???

no, not really.

KELKHIL

Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
or freak salmon attack

I don't know why.... but this here image is just really funny to me!

(chuckles)

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
( and on a side note the tests are meant to measure their progress in science, math, and such)

Oh, are you sure about that?

I'm beginning to think Zeek's right and those tests are actually trying to measure how well suited 7th graders are for positions within the US job market.

[/sarcastic bitch]

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:50 PM

Bluebirds
Singing a song
Nothing but bluebirds
All day long

LOL no really HK they're trying to prove all teachers are incompetent, all immigrants are bad and lazy, and school should be put in the hands of paid professionals who run it like a business and fire any kid who doesn't succeed I'll see your sarcasm and raise you some bitterness

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
paid professionals who run it like a business and fire any kid who doesn't succeed

This may cause a sh*tstorm, but if that were the case, at least we wouldn't have people graduating HIGH SCHOOL who still can't read and understand a simple paragraph. *sigh*

((eHugs the ninja kitty))

*snuggles MsB*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

Dude, jerking off on my mom is one thing. But banging your grandmother and her roommates? That's like... legendary.

xBox 360 GamerTag: Swinger420

ZEEK

Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Oh, are you sure about that?

I'm beginning to think Zeek's right and those tests are actually trying to measure how well suited 7th graders are for positions within the US job market.

Knew you could get it if I typed slowly and used small words.

And yep MsB crazy lady hit me. It's not too bad. I'm hoping it won't cost much of anything to repair cause for some reason I'd feel bad for her if she got some huge bill out of it.

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:35 PM

ok ..Zeek you are really nice:)HUGS

One can only hope Jimi...

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HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 PM

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:10 PM

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:31 PM

Wierdness on the thread.

Good news: I got my SP1.

Bad news: Cloverfield closed LAST night and now I might just get some movies from Ballbuster and call it a night.

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

MSB

Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:35 PM

Ohh happy dance on the gun, but so sorry about Cloverfield

In a joyous moment for me, I don't have to tutor tonight which means I can go shopping and then go to the gym and go home!!! I might actually get sleep tonight ( which I really should)

Hey I have a new ponder.... what holiday would you omit?? Is there one particular holiday you don't like and would rather not celebrate???

Personally, never really gotten the point of Thanksgiving... ok so some people showed up and didn't starve despite their stupidity... we celebrate that now??

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HOBBLEIT

Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:43 PM

Apart from Valentine's day I would omit Hallowe'en.

Never saw the point of that.

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:52 PM

Arbor Day (stupid hippies)

Gots mad skillz, loves playing with matches.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:02 PM

I don't really mind any of the holidays. I want as much time off as possible. So, even if it's for something stupid then more power to em.

DANCINGNEKO

Friday, February 15, 2008 1:47 AM

*slips in, unable to let the whole NCLB fisco slide*

*gives a warmfuzzy to NVG*

*gives Hersheys Hugs for everyone to enjoy*

*attempts to persuade Penguin to come back and visit with a bowlful of fresh fish (placed in stasis "borrowed" from the Bar-and-Grill)*

*pauses to hand a properly polished and cooled 'Dew ("obtained" from a certain Bar-and-Grill) to a pretty ninjakitty*

*snerks at ninjakitty's sarcasm*

*gifts MsB a box of martini-infused chocolates*

*bribes DTH with chocolates and an offer to let DTH go Mal-diving*

*giggles at MsB's comments while nodding sadly and gifts the browncoat womenfolk with a pink rose each (MsB, ninjakitty, Rugbug, DTH, Hobbliet, and anyone else missed)*

*adroitly distracts RIMG with a hugbomb and avoids all tacklepounclehuggles and glomps (too much Shampoo from Ranma 1/2 for glompage tolerance)*
*tries to control the laughter at RIMG's idea of running schools as a business, is failing badly*

*rolls eyes at Zeek's comments about NCLB testing to ninjakitty*

*takes a deep breath to throw in .02 plat on the "joys" of NCLB, the "brilliance" of politicians and policymakers who've never spent a day in the classroom, the parents who expect schools to provide everything for the kids in terms of knowledge, morals, and mores* *takes a quick look around*

Summary: I think that all elected officials should be required to spend a school year in the classroom teaching (at the level of an "intern teacher" or student teacher -- 3 classes a day) for a tiny, honorary stipend, under the same conditions that teachers in the classroom have to. Administration should be required to teach a class of students every year also. (Any teacher wanna bet how long before the NCLB will become parent-penalization instead of school/teacher-penalization if this happened?)
We should also either compare ourselves to other industrialized nations on the same level (take the top 50% in middle school and the top 25% in high school), or restructure the system to be similar to those education systems -- where the onus is on the kid. ...So the stress levels of the kids rise along with suicides and assorted stress-levels for students in grades K to 12 -- big deal -- that's what the rest of the world is doing.
Stop blaming the teachers and the schools as the main reason for everything, and put some of the responsibility on those who have the most control -- the parents and especially the kids.

(I see your sarcasm, and your bitterness, and raise you exhaustion, overwork, overwhelmed, and burnt out.)

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I have no opinon on holidays, I just hate a particular month (this one)...and those who know me personally know why -- and the irony behind it.
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*steps back and vanishes like smoke back into self-imposed exile*

ETA: It was green for a while...huh. Didn't know that when the color control is with by the editor it turns things green instead of gray.

MSB

Friday, February 15, 2008 2:40 AM

HUGS and HUGS Neko tightly... Oh sweety it's so good to see you and know that you are at least lurking.... wish I could help:)

Oh and I totaly agree bout the legislative asses.... of course they wouldn't last 4 days with my kids...bet the first time a kid throws a chair at them and calls them the c word they'd run home crying...

HUSG Neko once again for good measure

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Friday, February 15, 2008 12:57 PM

mornin' Imponderables.

*doesn't attempt to hug Neko in any fashion, just grabs her hand and kisses the back lightly*

Any holiday that gets me a free day off is ok in my book. :)

*snuggles MsB*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

Dude, jerking off on my mom is one thing. But banging your grandmother and her roommates? That's like... legendary.

xBox 360 GamerTag: Swinger420

MSB

Friday, February 15, 2008 3:40 PM

HUGS Jimi

Ok just let me make it through today and it's all good:)

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