when did serenity get weapons???

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UPDATED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 17:55
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MOOSE

Thursday, October 4, 2007 7:06 AM

That's what I'm wondering, Mobbex.
I'm guessing that TPage was mistaken.
(if not, SOMEONE has some explaining to do....)

However, Joss did mention the mistake with Vera in one of the web interviews on the old F*X site. They got bad info from the so-called "expert" and by the time they realized it, it was too late.

Check out the videos in the media section here:

http://www.foxhome.com/firefly/main.html

I think that particular interview is there, but I'm not sure. (I'm on dial-up)

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 4, 2007 12:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
There is always some explaination to be invented by someone much smarter than I.

Not saying I'm smarter than anyone, but here ya go :
The flux capacitor is connected to the starboard nacell.
The phase inducers are oonnnected to the plasma relays.
The inverse tachyon beam from the deflector dish creates a static warp shell
The pattern buffers combine with the sensor array to enable anti-matter containment.

and the circle...it goes round and round.

RIVERFLAN

Tuesday, January 1, 2008 4:58 AM

And in English, that means?

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:

Another question to ponder is how did Jayne aim Vera? He could not look down the sights with her wraped up in that suit. He really was a expert with weapons to pull that off.

Remember his Miracle with the Bent Scope

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THEEISBAER

Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:02 PM

How did the cannon that was mounted on top of Serenity fire without atmo? Simple. Even in our present time, the propellent in any firearm does not NEED air. Both black powder and modern smokeless powder create their own oxygen through some of the chemicals which are part of their makeup (potassium nitrate, in the case of blackpowder). That is what causes normally slow burning chemicalsto burn fast enough to get the required velocities. It may not be quite as effecient in a vacuum, but then again, the projectiles have almost nothing to resist their flight, either.

Your friendly "weapon-monger", The Eisbaer!

LEIF

Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:37 PM

Old thread, but I can't resist.

When Jayne describes Vera, he mentions the custom trigger mechanism. It could easily be a mechanism that would indeed need lubricants to function properly (as mentioned earlier) that will not function if boiled off.

NASA had to go to great lengths to keep mechanisms functioning properly in space. Moving parts would dry weld together unless protected properly. I think dry graphite powder is a lubricant that works in space, but I am not sure.

I assumed that they had the science correct, not for the ammo, but for the custom mechanisms. Also the distances would require the most accurate of Jaynes weapons, hence Vera.

I assumed the big gun was hardened for work in low/no atmosphere, even if it was gunpowder/cordite/whatever scifi propellant used.

I guess it could also be a case of a diehard fan going to any length to justify a favored show from spooging up.

Leif

TRAVELER

Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:06 AM

Gordy would just place the thermal reactor coil into the plasma condenser while filtering nano bits with anti-matter suspended in a hyper chamber and finally the captain would say "Make it so."

What is so friggen hard about that.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:59 AM

USSR used dry graphite in their space program, including use as pencil lead.
Graphite in space programs is known to contaminate the comupters, making them fail. Failed computers in spacecraft are not readily returned to your local geeksquad for replacement. Also, comsonauts were considered expendable.
NASA avoided having graphite in it's space program. They even spend millions of dollars to develope a "space pen" in order to avoid pencil contaminants. Nasa did not consider craft or astronauts to be expendable.

OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:00 AM

That'd be a more-valid notion , but the USSR did not use digital electronic computers in their space program in the space-pen era of Apollo...

The Soyuz , and other Russian spacecraft designs were known to use clockwork (gears!) timing and navigation systems as late as 1975 , and probably far later...

American spacecraft and astronauts are still being 'expended' , as recently as 5 years ago , and not because of pencils...14 astronauts in the Shuttle era alone...

Spaceflight involves inherent risks...And , sometimes , sacrifice .

You can look it up later...

OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I love the ponderings of the stuff in the 'verse. I think the external turbines were used within the atmosphere of planets and moons. which they had oxygen to operate in. If I'm wrong, meh. There is always some explaination to be invented by someone much smarter than I.

We could always say "Powered by Buddy Christ".

Hey , Our Buddy , Christ powers a lot of things...That's angel tech you're talkin' 'bout there...

As for the gunpowder notions , the 'oxidizer' is a component of the propellant...No added O2 needed to
fire...They probably just asked the wrong egghead about the sciency stuff , but I take it as 'good-enough' that 'canon' , the show , says that Jayne's cannon , Vera , needs oxygen to fire...I think it was a cool reason to shoot through the faceplate of a suit...Maybe Jayne , not thinkin' it through , figured Vera would get too hot and jam if not air-cooled , and failed to account for Book's notion about , " it's cold outside ".

The engine notions ?

The forward section of the thrusting engines is plainly air-breathing , no doubt a scram-jet with a heat-exchanger near the core to cool the intake charge , and internal configuration to manage the airflow bypass-ratio prior to adding combustible fuel , largely Hydrogen , to the mix...Current analog would be a design called 'Scimitar' .

The aft portion of the engine , and its nacelle , works in both an air-breathing mode , ala Scimitar , and a spaceborne mode , with a VASIMR-boosted thrust...Current analog would be the VASIMR design of Astronaut Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz , a brilliant physicist .

VASIMR is an acronym for :
'VAriable-Specific-Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket .

But , LOVE is what keeps her in the air...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
That'd be a more-valid notion , but the USSR did not use digital electronic computers in their space program in the space-pen era of Apollo...

The Soyuz , and other Russian spacecraft designs were known to use clockwork (gears!) timing and navigation systems as late as 1975 , and probably far later...

I may have been unclear by saying "computer" in this age when everybody assumes Bill Gates created 1's and 0's and computers. No computer currently counts ones ot zeros. They are mostly electronic assemblies which redirect and detect electronic voltages, and often are programmed to display these results as ones and zeroes, for humans to understand.
Redirection and detection of electronics is corrupted by the contamination of graphite, which is attracted by the electromagnetic field produced by all controlled electron flow, and which is not moderated by gravity as much in space as is on Earth. Even simple coils and relays are disabled.
Perhaps you are correct to think they did not have electronics technology on board Cosmonaut vehicles, but that must be one heck of a long phone string for the communications equipment. Or was it smoke signals?

The Apollo program also did not have the capability of today's technology, but they at least tried to find a permanent solution (in space pens) for future space work to build upon.
By 1990, the average American new car had more miles of electronic circuitry inside it than the first Apollo craft that completed the moon landing and return trip in 1969.

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