Religion...Bitch slapped...
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UPDATED: Saturday, March 28, 2026 18:57
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2nd part of an AMAZING documentary(first part is credits and shit). There are 13 parts in all. All against or for religion should watch this(warning takes 2 hours).......Enjoy. WOW!!
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I wouldn't say that religion was "bitch slapped" in any way shape or form here. In fact, everything in this video is widely known, and most, if not all of this, is known by anyone who has taken a /first/ year intro religion course.
The only people that I'd say were "bitch slapped" (to use your phrasing) is the nutters that go with a literal interpretation of there religion. No-one else.
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I say....What you say is bullshit! If this was 'KNOW' to everyone who has taken REL101...there would be no religions..........
Oh...you didn't have time to watch before your post...Ties into 9/11 and the fed reserve.....Watch before you post...otherwise you are a closed minded 'nutter' to me...........Well, not really.......
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people are so hostile towards religion.. i just dont get it. im sure a bunch of you believe that things 'would just be better' if religion would just cease to be, and scientific reason and logic would finally 'rule the day'. do you know why it wouldnt? this is where even the most cursory of study into the ideology of communism would be beneficial, because the platform of the communist party was atheism and evolution. why? because absent moral absolutes, and divine rights granted by a transcendent intelligence, the state, or the collective will of Man, becomes supreme authority. man, it has been shown(through 6 thousand years of history), cannot be entrusted to protect God given rights, when confronted with ultimate power and control. if you want to know what the world would be like absent religion, imagine communist Russia or China globally. if you are just an animal, thats how you will be treated, garaunteed
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@Kaneman:
I did watch the vid that you submitted. How would I have responded like I did if I didn't watch it. Regarding your view that there would be no religion if what I said was widely known, well... just take a look outside your boarders. There are... lots of people that acknowledge these facts yet are still religious i.e. there is a difference between knowledge being wide spread in general and knowledge being wide spread in the US.
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@AntiMason:
People largely are _not_ hostile towards religion. People just like to point out when others have gone to that bad, extreme, irrational, horrid place. This is so regardless of whether it's applied to religion or otherwise. And the literal interpretation of the bible is one of those things i.e. people do _not_ criticize Christianity as a whole, but just some interpretations of it. Interpretations mind you, that ignore historical facts.
You also don't acknowledge a few facts about Communism that make your argument completely wrong.
The whole point is that the theory realizes that power corrupts. But, the theory of Communism states that /when/ this happens, the people would rise up and over-throw the government. At that point the cycle is renewed.
There is also the fact that Communism was FORCED on the people. And as we all know, forcing people to do things, doesn't actually work.
For these and MANY other reasons, your Russia/China example is fallacious.
I love this one:
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if you are just an animal, thats how you will be treated, garaunteed
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So, since the Russians, by your reasoning, were animals, they were treated like animals. But, Russians are Humans. Thus, Humans are animals and should be treated as animals. So, since I gather you count yourself as a Human, you're an animal.
Would you like me to start treating you like an animal now, or would you like some time to adjust?
Let me know.
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Quote:Sigma, I'd like to know what intro religion course at what university is teaching the astrological alegory in the Bible.
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In fact, everything in this video is widely known, and most, if not all of this, is known by anyone who has taken a /first/ year intro religion course.
I think you may have missed the point of the documentary which differentiates it from any intro religion course I've participated in or heard of. A lot of people have a sort of Joe Campbell inspired notion that all religions are the same, or express the same deeply human truths--heck, Antimason believes this way, it's his main argument for the authenticity of Biblical "history." But this documentary, in laying out the very simple math of the solar calendar year and the translation of various interesting words like "sunset" and "bethlehem," does not merely suggest the touchy-feely notion that all religions tell the same story--but that all religion is merely literature grafted onto astronomical events. And then the documentary goes on to suggest that such literature was cherry-picked by the power elite in ancient Rome to create the Holy Bible, as we know it, as a tool of mind control. I think that covers a lot more ground than simply dicrediting the fundy "nutters."
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Sigmanunki- People largely are _not_ hostile towards religion.
people who are non religious are rarely just indifferent, a lot of people have a genuine contempt for it.
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People just like to point out when others have gone to that bad, extreme, irrational, horrid place.
im very willing to admit the criminal acts that have been committed throughout history in the name of 'religion'
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This is so regardless of whether it's applied to religion or otherwise.
i agree. its about individual rights and responsibilities
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And the literal interpretation of the bible is one of those things i.e. people do _not_ criticize Christianity as a whole, but just some interpretations of it. Interpretations mind you, that ignore historical facts.
specifically you mean the 7 day creation right? MO is that there are certain fundamental concepts of the bible that if altered, end up unraveling the entire thesis, and to an extent this is one. the bible in a nutshell says there was a beginning, when 'God created' the heavens and the earth, which was then subject to a 'fall'(a period of decay/sin), but which will be restored at the 'coming of the Lord'. i see the literal 7 day interpretation as a temporal description of Gods interaction with his creation, which occurred during a distinct, finite period of time. this would be unimaginable if you believe it had to have taken billions of years, and all this randomness and failure occurring etc just in order to initiate human life. the bible then goes on to say that we will be transformed immortally, with 'new flesh' when we are reunited with the Lord.. that in essence death was a result of our 'fall'. if there was no death prior to the fall, there were no extinctions prior to man(according to the bible). i could expand further but my point is that watering down a faith, to fit what is currently understood is not wise, instead we ought to read it for what it says
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You also don't acknowledge a few facts about Communism that make your argument completely wrong.
The whole point is that the theory realizes that power corrupts. But, the theory of Communism states that /when/ this happens, the people would rise up and over-throw the government. At that point the cycle is renewed.
well no, the communist belief is that 'individual' power corrupts, so the state is given authority to micromanage the populaces lives, to tell people what to do and how to think. they deny personal rights because they do not believe you have any, plain and simple; you exist for the collective, the 'species'
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There is also the fact that Communism was FORCED on the people. And as we all know, forcing people to do things, doesn't actually work.
exactly.. they were forced to accept atheism and collectivism, and look how it turned out
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For these and MANY other reasons, your Russia/China example is fallacious.
i think you should read more from Marx and Lenin, to see for yourself why they saw atheism and communism inseparable. this is a profound ideological difference- either your Creator gives you your rights, or your fellow man does. in the absence of divine authority, or 'moral absolutes' defined by our creator, your only hope is the rationality and expediency of your elected(if your lucky) officials, and their own consciences.
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I love this one:
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anti- if you are just an animal, thats how you will be treated, garaunteed"""
So, since the Russians, by your reasoning, were animals, they were treated like animals. But, Russians are Humans. Thus, Humans are animals and should be treated as animals. So, since I gather you count yourself as a Human, you're an animal.
you have it backwards.. so try to understand the philosophy here. im not the evolutionist claiming we ascended from primates, which originated spontaneously from a primordial soup billions of years ago. if thats what you believe, then understand what precedent you are setting. co
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@HKCavalier:
I didn't say all, I said "most, if not all of this" was in the video (btw, I only said that I watch the video posted).
Obviously, you've caught something that isn't /all/. But, that aspect is hardly the whole thing. In fact, pretty much all of the basic facts are in an intro religion course (at least the ones I took). Just because this guy goes a bit beyond and goes into the history of a few terms briefly doesn't mean that what I said isn't true.
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I think that covers a lot more ground than simply dicrediting the fundy "nutters."
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Good to know. I look forward to watching the rest of it.
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Sigmanunki- People largely are _not_ hostile towards religion.
people who are non religious are rarely just indifferent, a lot of people have a genuine contempt for it.
You're assuming that many means pretty much all. Are you sure you want to do that?
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People just like to point out when others have gone to that bad, extreme, irrational, horrid place.
im very willing to admit the criminal acts that have been committed throughout history in the name of 'religion'
You missed my point. It isn't that religion has been used to commit horrible acts. That's obvious. What I'm getting at is when people take a document that was written as allegory and think that it's literal. Then b/c of this, go to a bad, etc place.
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This is so regardless of whether it's applied to religion or otherwise.
i agree. its about individual rights and responsibilities
What are you talking about?
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And the literal interpretation of the bible is one of those things i.e. people do _not_ criticize Christianity as a whole, but just some interpretations of it. Interpretations mind you, that ignore historical facts.
specifically you mean the 7 day creation right? MO is that there are certain fundamental concepts of the bible that if altered, end up unraveling the entire thesis, and to an extent this is one. the bible in a nutshell says there was a beginning, when 'God created' the heavens and the earth, which was then subject to a 'fall'(a period of decay/sin), but which will be restored at the 'coming of the Lord'. i see the literal 7 day interpretation as a temporal description of Gods interaction with his creation, which occurred during a distinct, finite period of time. this would be unimaginable if you believe it had to have taken billions of years, and all this randomness and failure occurring etc just in order to initiate human life. the bible then goes on to say that we will be transformed immortally, with 'new flesh' when we are reunited with the Lord.. that in essence death was a result of our 'fall'. if there was no death prior to the fall, there were no extinctions prior to man(according to the bible). i could expand further but my point is that watering down a faith, to fit what is currently understood is not wise, instead we ought to read it for what it says
A summery of what AntiMason is saying is, "Sure I know that historical fact contradicts what I believe, but I don't care. I'm just going to put blinders on and completely ignore it."
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You also don't acknowledge a few facts about Communism that make your argument completely wrong.
The whole point is that the theory realizes that power corrupts. But, the theory of Communism states that /when/ this happens, the people would rise up and over-throw the government. At that point the cycle is renewed.
well no, the communist belief is that 'individual' power corrupts, so the state is given authority to micromanage the populaces lives, to tell people what to do and how to think. they deny personal rights because they do not believe you have any, plain and simple; you exist for the collective, the 'species'
You should keep reading from where you left off.
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There is also the fact that Communism was FORCED on the people. And as we all know, forcing people to do things, doesn't actually work.
exactly.. they were forced to accept atheism and collectivism, and look how it turned out
Prove from that that if people /wanted/ /to/ that it would turn out the same way.
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