Nathan's Super Secret London Thingy

POSTED BY: Chindi
UPDATED: Sunday, July 1, 2007 01:25
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ANONYMOUS1

Friday, June 8, 2007 3:35 AM

Chindi,

Your post made the news sections! That means tons of people will read it.

Whoo-hoo!

HOPERULES

Friday, June 8, 2007 5:27 AM

I suppose this redefinition of male role models in the main steam media would exclude Mal being as he uses force (violence) to do what is right when he protects River and fights the operative. Also, it seems to me he acts without much thought when carries River out of the bar instead of just leaving her for the Alliance. Not a very thoughtful decision when the safety of Serenity and the rest of her crew is his first priority.

TVCHICK

Friday, June 8, 2007 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
I take it you aren't the art show type

Well, actually, I really like museums. When I went to college, my first major was art. (Changed majors, but hey.) I guess maybe I just don't like being a "captive" audience... Give me a chance to absorb it on my own & in my own time.

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Friday, June 8, 2007 1:42 PM

TVchick - I wouldn't go so far as to say it sucked, but...

OK, I love Nathan as much as any as of us fannish types, and him talking was nice. But all the pretty lights on Nathan's face times 3, times 5, over and over... silly. It turned from a social message into let's worship Nathan's pretty face time. It's a darned nice face, but is that really what they're after?

Yeah, it didn't work for me. And I'm talking about the artistic intent of it - the pretty pictures got in the way. I'd rather hear him talk more. His nice looks aren't what make him heroic.

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, June 8, 2007 7:36 PM

@StoweAway:

My comment wasn't directed at you in particular. But, rather the project in general.

Quite frankly, I find the whole project a waste of time; it isn't going to work one iota. The problem with it is that is doesn't address the underlying problem nor does even properly address the apparent target (i.e. males).

Basically, any male that this project targets is going to laugh at and ignore it. It doesn't remove the actual cause of this problem, nor other areas of society that are "infected." Thus any gain will quickly be not gains as the "neighbouring" parts of society that are "infected" will remove the gains.

Quite frankly, I find it sad that so much time, money, and energy is being put into such an obviously flawed project. Especially since the real solution is so bloody obvious. After all, when's the last time you heard of a Ph.D. gang banging?

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ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, June 9, 2007 3:13 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quite frankly, I find the whole project a waste of time; it isn't going to work one iota. The problem with it is that is doesn't address the underlying problem nor does even properly address the apparent target (i.e. males).

Remember we are only seeing a portion of the artwork.

And thinking about the apparent target audience being male made me think that maybe the artist is trying to reach women...especially women that feel men have to get weaker for women to be equal. But then I don't think the artist is limiting his audience to a specific gender.

Remember that one of the purposes of art is to make people think. And the artist does his artwork in public not just inside museums. So he is trying to do a little art education by bringing his artwork outside.

See his wiki page for more info.

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, June 9, 2007 3:48 AM

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Originally posted by Hoperules:
I suppose this redefinition of male role models in the main steam media would exclude Mal being as he uses force (violence) to do what is right when he protects River and fights the operative. Also, it seems to me he acts without much thought when carries River out of the bar instead of just leaving her for the Alliance. Not a very thoughtful decision when the safety of Serenity and the rest of her crew is his first priority.

I think Mal thought about River and the danger and he also knew that Alliance had done this to her. When she was lying on the floor asleep, Mal reacted with his heart and brain. He thought about it and then he acted. That is Mal. Jayne acts without thinking mostly. Reavers act without thinking mostly too.

Mal he wouldn't kill unless he has to. Firefly deleted scene.

Mal: Somebody every tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back.

Strength without Force.

This is also Mal. Doesn't mean he doesn't use force. Doesn't mean he is never violent. The Captain walks softly and carries a big gun.

Remember when Jayne explained the chain of command to Wash. Jayne couldn't run the ship without violence or the threat of violence. Mal only uses violence against the crew when he has too. Like shoving Wash against the wall in Out of Gas or hitting Jayne with the wrench in Ariel. The Captain is the Captain because of his strength. The crew is on the ship because they want to be and when they don't want to be, they leave. Jayne would have trouble keeping any of the crew on his ship.

Reavers are definitely all force. All violence. But they don't seem to have trouble keeping other Reavers on their ships. I wonder if they have Captains.

You know I was thinking the artist picked Nathan because of something he saw in Nathan's face that would present the type of face he wanted to show and had nothing to actually do with how Nathan lives or Nathan's work as an actor.

It is interesting to think the artist is actually thinking about Mal and the future that Joss wrote about.

SPACEGIRL32

Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:48 AM

Very nice Anonymous1,

I do hope you sent your thought to Martin already. Do send in both of these posts.

Keep up the Good Work!

HOPERULES

Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:57 AM

I agree that Nathan's involvement in this project probably has nothing to do with his portrayal of Mal (except maybe for the fact that playing Mal has made him nearly famous). However, I do think Mal represents the kind of timeless hero who stands up for what is right and sacrifices for others. I also think heroes sometimes do heroic things without thinking through the consequences which Mal seems to do a time or two. While Mal is fictional, there are real heroes who exhibit these qualities. Examples include the man who threw himself under a subway train to save a stranger's life and the soldiers in WWII who defeated Hitler and stopped the Holocaust. These men should be heroes today and a thousand years from now. Finally, violence is just a tool heroes have sometimes used to stand up for justice and to protect others. I don't think the idea of a hero needs to be redefined. In fact, these days we could use a few more men who are willing to stand up for what is right and sacrifice for others.

P.S. My guess is that Jayne thinks about his actions, but he is often ONLY thinking of himself.

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:59 AM

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Originally posted by Spacegirl32:
Very nice Anonymous1,

I do hope you sent your thought to Martin already. Do send in both of these posts.

Keep up the Good Work!

Nope. Too anonymous to do that. See I can post here because I'm anonymous. Took me a while to do that in the beginning even though I was Anonymous1.

Might post to the artist someday. Maybe after the work is finished.

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