What if Jasmine had been Allowed to Reign over Humanity?
POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 04:02
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It's an argument that's older than you think, River. It goes all the way back to Genesis.
For many, The Garden of Eden is the story of the evolution of human consciousness. When Adam and Eve were in the garden they existed in a state of blissful ignorance. They had everything they needed and wanted for nothing, but they were not aware of themselves.
When they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge, they "saw that they were naked." They achieved conscious awareness for the first time. Hence they were expelled from the garden. Once they had become consciously aware, they could never be ignorant again. Instead of being blissfully happy, they became aware of hurt, suffering, need and everything else that comes with the human package.
That's the price we pay for human awareness - the loss of paradise, of ignorant joy. Is it a bad thing? I have to say no. If we were all still in the "garden" then sure, we'd be happy, but we wouldn't be what we are. We wouldn't really be human at all.
I wouldn't really call the current humanity "Human beings" because that is not what we are. I really don't know what we are but human beings is the wrong word for us.
I'll take the ignorant joy for $2,000 Bob Barker!
Nope, Humanity is still the right terms for us. We're the one species on earth that has the ability to redefine who and what we are. Okay, we suck at it, but we still have the ability to get better at it.
And that's pretty much what it comes down to - you can stumble around in a euphoric haze, numb to the world around you, or you can take a chance and live life - pain, fear, suffering, grief and all, on the chance that you can become something more too, that it might just be worth it.
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It's an argument that's older than you think, River. It goes all the way back to Genesis.
For many, The Garden of Eden is the story of the evolution of human consciousness. When Adam and Eve were in the garden they existed in a state of blissful ignorance. They had everything they needed and wanted for nothing, but they were not aware of themselves.
When they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge, they "saw that they were naked." They achieved conscious awareness for the first time. Hence they were expelled from the garden. Once they had become consciously aware, they could never be ignorant again. Instead of being blissfully happy, they became aware of hurt, suffering, need and everything else that comes with the human package.
That's the price we pay for human awareness - the loss of paradise, of ignorant joy. Is it a bad thing? I have to say no. If we were all still in the "garden" then sure, we'd be happy, but we wouldn't be what we are. We wouldn't really be human at all.
I wouldn't really call the current humanity "Human beings" because that is not what we are. I really don't know what we are but human beings is the wrong word for us.
I'll take the ignorant joy for $2,000 Bob Barker!
Nope, Humanity is still the right terms for us. We're the one species on earth that has the ability to redefine who and what we are. Okay, we suck at it, but we still have the ability to get better at it.
And that's pretty much what it comes down to - you can stumble around in a euphoric haze, numb to the world around you, or you can take a chance and live life - pain, fear, suffering, grief and all, on the chance that you can become something more too, that it might just be worth it.
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Though you may be right about this, I really can't see it. I would rather stumble around in a euphoric haze, numb to the world around me.
Hail Jasmine!
-River
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Okay, let me put it another way.
As much as you long for the eternal bliss of unconscious being, would you impose that choice on others? On every human? Every person existing in the world and every child that will be born? Would you deny them the chance to grow and become more than they are, possibly even changing the human race itself, for a life of bliss?
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Okay, let me put it another way.
As much as you long for the eternal bliss of unconscious being, would you impose that choice on others? On every human? Every person existing in the world and every child that will be born? Would you deny them the chance to grow and become more than they are, possibly even changing the human race itself, for a life of bliss?
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Okay, let me think about that for a moment...'er, hmmm, yes I think I would; I think I would impose that choice on the rest of humanity only for my complete selfishness. A subdued, and pacified humanity would be so busy being blissful, mindless marine plants that they wouldn't get in the way of my eternal bliss. I would say that it would be a win win situation.
Totally selfish and unfair? Yes. Feeling bad because I imposed my will on humanity? Not a lick. Humanity has done quite a fine job of imposing itself on all of us at one point or another. It's only fair if I paid it back in kind; eternal bliss and a static society.
-River
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Hell yes! I will say it again. Jasmine running the everything would have been a better deal for the human race. So sorry that we have to sacrifice our self will in the process, but it's not like we are using our self will for anything good. I mean look at the condition of planet earth and it's stupid people??!!!
I think we should reconsider...
-Rive
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