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House Iraq Resolution--what will it do?

POSTED BY: Causal
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 01:41
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CAUSAL

Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM

So a terrible subject line, I know, but I don't want to unnecessarily bias the thread. I'm curious about your opinions on the resolution being debated in U.S. House of Representatives condemning the troop surge. It's a non-binding resolution, which means that it doesn't force any changes in the president's Iraq policy. Critics of the bill say that it doesn't really accomplish anything--and may damage the morale of the military and encourage the insurgents to keep fighting. Supporters says it's a vital part of the democratic process and a way for the Congress to let the president know that the American people aren't happy. So, what say you, RWEDers?

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SHINYED

Friday, February 16, 2007 1:34 PM

Good topic...good debate, but I won't engage.

Unless you're a hardcore Liberal you get ridiculed by 98% of the posters here, called an idiot and troll...not worth the energy to read a bunch of immature smartasses attacking your beliefs and opinions.

CAUSAL

Friday, February 16, 2007 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Good topic...good debate, but I won't engage.

Unless you're a hardcore Liberal you get ridiculed by 98% of the posters here, called an idiot and troll...not worth the energy to read a bunch of immature smartasses attacking your beliefs and opinions.

Aw, come on, Ed. I agree with you about 50%--I've had the same thing happen to me (try being religious and pro-life!) but there are plenty of people here who respect the opinions of others. And if you think it's going south, jump ship!

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SHINYED

Friday, February 16, 2007 2:21 PM

Yes Causal...we've had some interesting and charged debates, but many others here really turn me off with their vile antics. I'm gonna pretty much stay in the more-respectful areas like episode discussions. Stay Shiny!

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, February 16, 2007 5:47 PM

It won't do much. But it will put some Congressmen on the record, one way or the other. Might be useful to their careers later. Or maybe to the history books, when the history of this time gets written.

STORYMARK

Friday, February 16, 2007 5:57 PM

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Or maybe to the history books, when the history of this time gets written.

Though it may have little effect on the here-and-now, I agree it will be important when the histories are writen.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, February 16, 2007 6:02 PM

Just found this on yahoo editorials, from USA.Today, that far left wing, commie/pinko, terrorist supporting, yellow journalist rag:

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Opponents widely dismiss the resolution as toothless political posturing, and there's some truth to that. The measure requires no change in policy and offers no alternative. In a sense, it offers members a free shot at an unpopular president and a controversial war.

At the same time, it sends a powerful message, which is why those same opponents have fought so furiously to stop it. For the first time since Congress voted in late 2002 to give the president permission to go to war, a majority of one chamber will go on record against Bush's management of the conflict.

Put simply, it is a vote of no confidence in Bush's plan, and one in which a dozen or more Republicans are expected to join. It is a formal way for members of Congress to say what their constituents said in the last election and in every subsequent poll: They will not tolerate the failing war much longer.

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FREDGIBLET

Friday, February 16, 2007 6:22 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Critics of the bill say that it doesn't really accomplish anything

True

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and may damage the morale of the military

BS, anyone who could lose morale from this reolution would have lost it all long ago, lack of support for the war has been evident for years.

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and encourage the insurgents to keep fighting.

BS, the insurgents are going to fight as long as we are there, and again, lack of support for the war has been evident for years.

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Supporters says it's a vital part of the democratic process

Um, no. Wagging fingers has nothing to do with the democratic process.

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and a way for the Congress to let the president know that the American people aren't happy

Even Curious George must realize that the Republicans losing Congress means the people aren't happy, wagging fingers isn't going to do crap.

In short the Democrats are doing this as a slap in the face of the prez, and the Republicans who are joining in are doing it to garner spport for later. It means nothing and will accomplish nothing.

STORYMARK

Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Even Curious George must realize that the Republicans losing Congress means the people aren't happy, wagging fingers isn't going to do crap.

Maybe he realizes, maybe not. It's hard to guage the man's level of self-delusion.

It think it's worth making the public's disapproval a matter of record, regardless of whether or not it has a direct or immediate influence over the war.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, February 16, 2007 8:43 PM

Final count 246 Aye, 182 Nay. 17 Republicans vote Aye.

Meanwhile:

"I will do everything in my power to ensure the House resolution dies an inglorious death in the Senate," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican.

Remember his name...