Manadatory vaccination (Part 3)

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SASSALICIOUS

Monday, January 8, 2007 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by danfan:
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Originally posted by Sassalicious:
And for me, living x number of years in the tropical 3rd world...

...Wisconsin sucks. I don't want to be here.

I'm no fan of the cold up north, but I wouldn't characterize Wisconsin as "3rd world."

The juxtaposition of those two statements tickled me. Either they refer to different times in your life, or you take a pretty harsh view of Wisconsin ;-)

That's funny.

I travel a lot and in August, I'm moving to Vietnam for the next couple of years or so. That's what I was referring to.

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Wisconsin sucks. I don't want to be here.

~Forsaken Forever

RUE

Tuesday, January 9, 2007 12:25 AM

I just thought I'd do a back of the envelope calculation -

They used mercury salt HgCl2, not organic mercury (methyl- or ethyl- mercury) at 10 ^ -7M or 0.1ppm. They applied it directly to neurons, presumably without dilution by the surrounding media. A typical vaccination contains 25ug of Thimerosal or about 12.5ug of mercury. A typical newborn weighs 7.5 lbs or 3402000000ug. That makes the body-wide concentration of mercury after a single injection 0.0037ppm, or 1/27 of the concentration they used on the nerve cells.

Not that anyone disputes mercury in certain forms is toxic to varying degrees. And I've already stated that Thimerosal should have been eliminated years ago just on suspicion. However it's best not to use inappropriate examples unless of course you're looking to shock rather than inform your audience.

Inhalation of mercury vapor (Hg0) inhibits binding of GTP to rat brain tubulin, thereby inhibiting tubulin polymerization into microtubules. A similar molecular lesion has also been observed in 80% of brains from patients with Alzheimer disease (AD) compared to age-matched controls. However the precise site and mode of action of Hg ions remain illusive. Therefore, the present study examined whether Hg ions could affect membrane dynamics of neurite growth cone morphology and behavior. Since tubulin is a highly conserved cytoskeletal protein in both vertebrates and invertebrates, we hypothesized that growth cones from animal species could be highly susceptible to Hg ions. To test this possibility, the identified, large Pedal A (PeA) neurons from the central ring ganglia of the snail Lymnaea stagnalis were cultured for 48 h in 2 ml brain conditioned medium (CM). Following neurite outgrowth, metal chloride solution (2 μl) of Hg, Al, Pb, Cd, or Mn (10-7 M) was pressure applied directly onto individual growth cones. Time-lapse images with inverted microscopy were acquired prior to, during, and after the metal ion exposure. We demonstrate that Hg ions markedly disrupted membrane structure and linear growth rates of imaged neurites in 77% of all nerve growth cones. When growth cones were stained with antibodies specific for both tubulin and actin, it was the tubulin/microtubule structure that disintegrated following Hg exposure. Moreover, some denuded neurites were also observed to form neurofibrillary aggregates. In contrast, growth cone exposure to other metal ions did not affect growth cone morphology, nor was their motility rate compromised. To determine the growth suppressive effects of Hg ions on neuronal sprouting, cells were cultured either in the presence or absence of Hg ions. We found that in the presence of Hg ions, neuronal somata failed to sprout, whereas other metalic ions did not affect growth patterns of cultured PeA cells. We conclude that this visual evidence and previous biochemical data strongly implicate Hg as a potential etiological factor in neurodegeneration.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 12, 2007 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sassalicious:
"do their own homework and make their own decision"

YES! (though I am still of the opinion that certain basic vaccinations are good to get, especially if you plan on going to college and living in the dorms--disease spreads like wildfire).

And for me, living x number of years in the tropical 3rd world? The benefits definitely outweigh any potential risks.

And I respect your belief that vaccines are beneficial and your decision to vaccinate. It is YOUR decision to make.

This thread is not a debate about whether vaccines are good or bad. The question of this thread is whether people who do not vaccinate (me for example) should be forced or coerced to vaccinate against our wills.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

RUE

Saturday, January 13, 2007 2:28 AM

CTS,

"This thread is not a debate about whether vaccines are good or bad." But you did a great job taking it in that direction.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:49 AM

And CTS was alone in this ?

Form shame Rue, don't stoop to cheap shots, everyone find a neutral corner and let it die - we've agreed to disagree, leave it at that, please.

Got enough flames scorchin up RWED without addin one more.

-Frem

RUE

Sunday, February 4, 2007 10:51 PM

I was merely replying to CTS's misstatements. I don't like people being misled on basic information. I don't like it when Bush does it, I don't like it when CTS does it.

speaking of basic information:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070129155146.htm

Measles Deaths Fall By 60 Percent Globally

... and is largely due to an unprecedented decline in measles deaths in the African region.

A strategy to reduce measles mortality, consisting of four components, has been key to ensuring the massive global decrease in measles deaths. The strategy calls for

the provision of one dose of measles vaccine for all infants via routine health services;
a second opportunity for measles immunization for all children, generally through mass vaccination campaigns;
effective surveillance for measles; and
enhanced care, including the provision of supplemental vitamin A.

There is still some way to go in the fight against one of the world's most contagious diseases. Of the estimated 345 000 measles deaths in 2005, 90% were among children under the age of five -- many dying as a result of complications related to severe diarrhoea, pneumonia and encephalitis.

and ...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070119144353.htm

Billions Of Dollars Saved In United States By Polio Vaccination

Science Daily — A new study by researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) finds that polio vaccination in the United States has resulted in a net savings of over $180 billion, even without including the large, intangible benefits associated with avoided fear and suffering. This first study to retrospectively demonstrate the enormous benefits of polio vaccination appears as part of a special issue on polio in the December 2006 issue of Risk Analysis.

and ...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061116091036.htm

Vaccination Of Nursing Home Staff, Residents, Key To Reducing Flu Outbreak
Science Daily — Potentially deadly influenza outbreaks in nursing homes are less likely to occur when large numbers of staff and residents get flu shots, according to a study issued today by the RAND Corporation.

The study by the nonprofit research organization found that nursing homes were 60 percent less likely to have a cluster of influenza-like illness cases if more than 55 percent of the staff and more than 89 percent of the residents were vaccinated for influenza.

RUE

Monday, February 5, 2007 1:04 AM

This is about mandatory confinement of people with nearly uniformly fata TB, in order to keep it from spreading:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070123093509.htm

Detaining Patients Is Justified To Contain Deadly TB Strain In South Africa, Say Experts
This strain of XDR-TB in Kwazulu-Natal proved to be particularly deadly: 52 of the 53 patients died (within a median of 16 days of the initial collection of sputum for diagnostic purposes).

RUE

Monday, February 5, 2007 1:16 AM

This is just part of the larger topic of government authority, or lack thereof, in various situations. Here we have another medical situation where government (in this case, SA) says the seriousness of TB transmission warrants involuntary confinement.

But in the larger scheme, what I find strange is the near silence of the local anarchists on topics like government spying on phone calls and bank transactions, and the development of large databases. OTOH when it comes to smoking and vaccination, they're all over it.

Any comments on this article? Any comments about relative outrage over government intrusions?

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, February 5, 2007 5:32 AM

Different issue, needs it's own thread.

Lotsa bitchin and quite a few ideas to jam up the works on that front.

Not discussing the original topic anymore, folks stated their piece and in the words of Crow prior to his engine adventure..
"There is no mind changing.."[/]

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

RUE

Monday, February 5, 2007 6:17 AM

Hey Frem,

Do you suppose you could formulate a new thread?

The reason being the whole anarchy v public health is interesting to me and I wonder where you and others would draw lines of acceptable or not.

For example, TB is an issue in the US. There is only 1 facility in the US for treating multiply resistant TB (National Jewish Medical & Research Center in Denver). TB is something you can get just from being in the same room that an infected person had been in.

Some stories below:

"Once known for academic and athletic excellence, La Quinta High School has gained a troubling distinction: it has experienced what state officials say is the worst outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis in a high school ever reported in the United States.

Two-hundred-ninety-two of La Quinta's students, or 23 percent, tested positive for TB in September 1993. Another 84 students, who had not previously been tested or had had negative results the first time, tested positive last month.

Twelve of those students are being treated for active cases of drug-resistant TB, and more than 70 other students who were exposed to drug-resistant strains of the disease are receiving similar treatments. One student with an active case has lost part of her lung."

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"A homeless patient with highly infectious pulmonary tuberculosis was a regular patron of a neighborhood bar during a long symptomatic interval before diagnosis. We investigated 97 other regular customers and employees of the bar through interviews, tuberculin skin testing, and chest roentgenography. We performed DNA fingerprinting on isolates from the index patient and 11 other patients.

Results The index patient apparently infected 41 of 97 contacts (42 percent), resulting in 14 cases of active tuberculosis ..."

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Limited data suggest that measures to reduce tuberculosis transmission should be based on locations rather than on personal contacts.

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For 2005, a total of 14,093 tuberculosis (TB) cases (4.8 cases per 100,000 population) were reported in the United States, representing a 3.8% decline in the rate from 2004. ...(but) the number of multidrug-resistant (MDR) TB cases in the United States increased 13.3%, with 128 cases (up from 113 in 2003) of MDR TB in 2004 ...

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