Jimmy Carter called out on anti-semitism!
POSTED BY: CrevanReaver
UPDATED: Sunday, April 8, 2007 10:36
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Heh..... yeah. I should have known better. I'm pretty sure that there's somebody from the CIA that's watching all of my posts on here and MySpace among other places. Maybe I'm just paranoid (No... not me, right?) I'm guessing I'm walking the tightrope and haven't crossed the line yet because I haven't had any warrantless searches of my apartment..... or have I?
I figure either I haven't crossed the line yet, they're waiting for me to run for political office before they dump all of this on the American public or they're just waiting for me to give them a whole arsenal of "anti-American" rants to come after me with.
F
them. I love this country and I'm a patriot. Love for your country and love for a tyrannical government are two seperate things, though the latter would have you believe that they are inseparable. (Wow!... I really like that quote. I'm gonna have to remember that one).
If it ever gets real bad, I'll let them make me a martyr.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:That’s nonsense. Apartheid and the Palestinian territories have nothing to do with each other. The Palestinians are not in the shape they are in because a bigoted Israeli government is oppressing them, but rather because a fanatical Palestinian government is oppressing them.
Originally posted by Skywalken:
Here a clip from an interview with Al Jazeera, in which Carter actually claims the so-called "Palestianians" are in some ways being treated worse than blacks under apartheid South Africa:
Quote:I don’t care anything about 6strings political correctness; I’m not much of the PC type, but sometimes I get the feeling that people use the politically incorrect argument to justify nonsense. Essentially, what 6string’s argument boils down to is “we would all get along if minorities would just shut up.” I don’t buy that. It doesn’t make any sense for one thing and it’s pejorative. I don’t know if that was what he was trying to say or if he just didn’t phrase it very well. Maybe he is a bigot for all I know, but I’m not going to assume that, I’ll simply say that what he said didn’t help his case any, and I did. He came across like someone who wants to inflame race tensions, not assuage them.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn, you're right to point out that the wording of the original statement wasn't totally kosher in its political correctness.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Essentially, what 6string’s argument boils down to is “we would all get along if minorities would just shut up.” I don’t buy that.
Had he said that, I wouldn't have bought it either, but I didn't read it that way, and by his reaction to my post I think I read it right. I saw it as: "If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done." Very different wording, but I think the message is the same.
But I'm tired and not in the mood to discuss this any further.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
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Originally posted by Khyron:
"If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done."
Pure genius... and exactly the point I was trying to make. You should be a speech writer for a politician. One of the good kind of politician (such a thing does exist).
Maybe the American public will get a small dose of truth and common sense that will be written so well that it can't be called racist.
Now you just have to find somebody who can speak as well as you can write.
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Quote:He might be anti-Semitic. Certainly some of what he has said suggests it, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think he’s pro-Palestinian, at least not in any functional way. I would say that he is anti-Israeli.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Is it possible that Carter isn't anti-Jewish, but rather pro-Palestinian?
Quote:No. Not to my knowledge.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Has he actually said anywhere that Jewish people are bad people and he wants to see them maligned or killed?
Quote:I’m sure that’s exactly what he thinks he’s doing. Or he thinks a good controversy will sell his book, I’m not sure, possibly a combination.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Or has he defended Palestinians against what he perceives as Jewish wrongdoing?
Quote:No one calls Carter anti-Israeli because he is defending Palestinians. He gets called anti-Israeli because, according to some of his own supporters, he holds an uncompromising view of Israel as a solely responsible for the conflict.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I mean, if someone defended the Jewish people against perceived Palestinian wrongdoings, would they be anti-Palestinian?
Quote:Why wouldn’t they? In fact, this country has been high-strung about anti-Arab sentiment since 9/ll.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Would anyone care about an Anti-Palite (heh) the way they might care about an anti-Semite?
And Palestinians are Semitic, but generally the term is anti-Arab.
Quote:The Chinese and the Japanese aren’t killing each other anymore, but back when they did, yes, there was as much “drama” (whatever that means.)
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If we were talking about Chinese people and Japanese people, would there be as much drama to it?
Quote:What does what say about us?
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
What does that say about us?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Quote:According to 6string, you evidently did read it right. And I don’t see anything wrong with your interpretation, in fact, I’m sympathetic to it.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Had he said that, I wouldn't have bought it either, but I didn't read it that way, and by his reaction to my post I think I read it right. I saw it as: "If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done." Very different wording, but I think the message is the same.
I actually don’t know any oversensitive minorities. I haven’t since college, actually. But everyone’s oversensitive about something in college. I know many Jews and Jewish people; none of them ever push the Holocaust in my face. And I know many African-Americans, who never play the race-card. In college, there was always someone protesting how Whitey was keeping them down, but in the real world, that kind of stuff is largely fictitious. My boss is an African American woman for pet’s sake, and she’s got clout. She’s not small fry; when she talks people listen. Most of this oversensitive minorities stuff doesn’t come from the minorities. It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Khyron, props for an incitefull and spot on analysis.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Most of this oversensitive minorities stuff doesn’t come from the minorities. It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.
I would have to agree with your assessment of the racism issue on the individual basis, though I wouldn't pin it on only the Left wing. This is bipartisan hatered, Repuglican and Demoncrat.
I've worked in a wide variety of jobs and although the pay wasn't great, I have to say that some of my most enjoyable jobs were production "back-room" jobs which consisted usually of unsteady hours, complete lack of benefits or job security, and usually $10.00/hr at best... usually under the table. These are the jobs you go to when you're desperate for work. When you've got a family to feed and you need the money and you're too proud to sit on your ass and collect a check you don't diserve. Most of the people I worked with didn't have cars and took the bus to work.
The reason these jobs were my favorite were the environment and the people, whom incidentally, were mostly black or mexican. I got to feel what it was like to be a minority when I worked those jobs, and I have to say, it wasn't bad at all. Sure, we had our differences in opinions on things or our mannarisms, but so does everybody. Like I've always said... "I don't like at least 90% of the people I've never met in my life and 95% of those people are white."
Any of our differences were due entirely to enviornment and had nothing to do with our skin color. One thing we usually were all able to agree on was how much of a jagoff our bosses were. The best thing about working with them, I thought, was that I never felt on guard about what I discussed around them. They'd give their little digs about my race and I'd give them right back, but we knew it was in jest and nobody ever got in a huff about it. In all honesty, I'm much more guarded around my fellow white employees (particularly women) when it comes to saying what's on my mind.
The criminal media and scheming politicians are to blame here. Any time race, sex, religion or sexuality is mentioned on TV it's for bad reasons and all they do is perpetuate anamosity between these groups. They consistantly show us all at our worst, and in the back of our minds we start to believe the hype. This is particularly true of perpetuating the belief that minorities are somehow owed something for things that happened years before by and to people who are all dead now, and now they should be able to sit around all day and complain while they collect a government check. Teach a man to fish... right? All minorities I've ever met don't believe this... that's because I go to work and the one's I meet are working with me. I've never met any of these degenerates who live off of our tax dollars, but they do exist and that needs to stop.
Hell... Jessie Jackson got rich off of it. He's one of the worst offenders here. My uncle, who is Jewish BTW, always says he wants Jessie's job. He doesn't do anything but make people hate each other and he's rich. My uncle doesn't want to make people hate each other, but is in awe of Jessie's ability to make money appear out of thin air. Even black people I've talked to think he's a jagoff... the same people who incidentally defended R Kelly the whole time he was pissing on underage girls. So that shows you where Jessie stands here.
When you do get a great black man, namely Bill Cosby, saying good things his entire life which IMHO have brought the races close together, stepping up and speaking out against the bullshit MTVized, caracatureized rap culture and how damaging it is to youth of all colors, somebody goes and pays some woman (see: whore) to come out and say that he tried to slip her drugs and rape her.
When have we heard from good old Bill since?
No... the problem is the media. They don't make any money if we're all happ
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6string: Thanks for the kind words. Glad I could help out.
Finn: I agree with what you said, and I did already say something very similar (in that long post I made before). It's not so much the minorities as a whole who are the oversensitive ones, but the PC Police (as I called it), made up not only of members of that particular minority, who feel they have a right to be representative of the minorities as a whole on a particular issue. As I said in my one-sentence summation: "...propagated on the behalf of minority groups...". And as you said:
Quote:
It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.
Glad we agree (although not solely left-wing).
Fletch: Thanks for the props mate.
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Quote:Yes, and I thought that long post you made was very good. A good social commentary on this issue, from the point of view of an activist, is “The Thought Police,” by Tammy Bruce. Tammy Bruce explains from her own experience in NOW how advocacy groups employ brainwashing and cultism to influence their members.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn: I agree with what you said, and I did already say something very similar (in that long post I made before). It's not so much the minorities as a whole who are the oversensitive ones, but the PC Police (as I called it), made up not only of members of that particular minority, who feel they have a right to be representative of the minorities as a whole on a particular issue.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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