Connor was the worst character ever!

POSTED BY: dax82
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DRU

Thursday, February 8, 2007 8:16 PM

I still like Connor. Wish Angel got another season to see an episode or two with a well adjusted Connor and his relationship with his father.

On the topic of whiny characters, I would say Adric, the fifth's Doctor companion. I was very happy when he blew up. Wesley Crusher from Star Trek the Next Generation. I never liked Dawn's character from Buffy, although season 7 was the best for her character.

DRU

Thursday, February 8, 2007 8:16 PM

I still like Connor. Wish Angel got another season to see an episode or two with a well adjusted Connor and his relationship with his father.

On the topic of whiny characters, I would say Adric, the fifth's Doctor companion. I was very happy when he blew up. Wesley Crusher from Star Trek the Next Generation. I never liked Dawn's character from Buffy, although season 7 was the best for her character.

CLJOHNSTON108

Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:21 PM

I actually haven't watched TV since Babylon 5 ended in '98, just DVDs of shows I hear a lot of great things about.

Watched Seasons 2&3 of Buffy, and I managed to see the first couple of episodes of Angel at a friend's house, but that was it.
Haven't had the money to buy the DVDs of both shows.
Found Season 1 of Buffy (from the box set) for $12.99, so that's a start.

I was curious about the "puppet" business, so I read the transcripts of the eps from "Smile Time" on to the end.

Having said all of that, I kinda liked Connor, at least in "Origin"!

I really dug the scene where he's getting ready to fight Sahjahn.

When he says "You can take a moment, if you want. There's some weapons and stuff over here if you think you'll need them," and Sahjahn says "Thanks," it sorta reminded me of The Princess Bride, right before Inigo & The Man in Black/Westley fought.

Hearing all your comments, though, I'm almost afraid to fill in the rest of the blanks in my Buffyverse knowledge!

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EMBERS

Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:56 AM

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Originally posted by dax82:
Your words actually made my eye twitch. By far Connor was the biggest bitch in the history of television(thats right HISTORY) If that nerd Connor got his own spinoff I would throw up and start a fire. I have no understanding of people who like or sympathize for Connor. This ones for you Connor

but have you watched season 5 Connor yet?
I thought they redeemed him well!

And I hated Glory, I can barely stand Buffy's season 5 because I just thought that character was so lame...

RIVER6213

Monday, February 26, 2007 4:40 PM

I really disliked the character Conner. The only time I came near to liking him was:

1. He 1st showed up from that vortex, and killed that creature and immediately started attacking Angel and company.

2. When Connor told Jasmine that he loved her and then killed her.

3. When The man they all called Jayne was beating the stuffing out of Angel and Connor showed up and started slapping Jayne around until Jayne kicked him into the wall. This gave Angel enough time to attack again.

Besides all of those scenes the Connor character really wasn't worth much of anything. I guess being all broody, whiny and annoying, plus being a back-stabbing little creepoid, not to mention off-shore dumping of daddy is a good indication that being raised in a hell dimension is bad for you.

-River

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Wednesday, April 4, 2007 7:52 PM

We haven't seen all of season 5 yet -- so far Connor's been magically transplanted into a normal family and we haven't seen him since -- so I can't say anything about his eventual redemption (based on what previous posters have said).

What I can say is that I've gritted my teeth through the teenage angst of all of Connor, Dawn and Buffy in their time. Yes, I know it's more or less a normal phase of human development, and yes, I agree that Connor had such an incredibly lousy, abusive childhood that he can't be blamed for his particularly extreme manifestation of it, but it's still incredibly annoying to wait for them to grow out of it.

So. If Connor gets to grow out of his angst during season 5, I'm relieved to hear it. I was very happy to see Dawn growing up substantially during season 7 of Buffy -- it redeemed her character in my eyes.

As for Buffy, I suppose she wasn't actually a teenager at the time, but the "thing" that I waited impatiently for her to grow out of was her torment over her BDSM relationship with Spike during season 5 of Buffy. I kept shouting at the screen, "It's not a big deal. It's just a slightly kinky, mostly physical sexual relationship with an entirely willing partner with no illusions as to your emotional commitment here. It doesn't mean your moral core is crumbling. Relax!"

Whew. I didn't realize how much I wanted to get that off my chest :)

All that said, I've really enjoyed both shows and would like to give all props to Joss et al.

Indigo S.

RIVER6213

Wednesday, April 4, 2007 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
We haven't seen all of season 5 yet -- so far Connor's been magically transplanted into a normal family and we haven't seen him since -- so I can't say anything about his eventual redemption (based on what previous posters have said).

What I can say is that I've gritted my teeth through the teenage angst of all of Connor, Dawn and Buffy in their time. Yes, I know it's more or less a normal phase of human development, and yes, I agree that Connor had such an incredibly lousy, abusive childhood that he can't be blamed for his particularly extreme manifestation of it, but it's still incredibly annoying to wait for them to grow out of it.

So. If Connor gets to grow out of his angst during season 5, I'm relieved to hear it. I was very happy to see Dawn growing up substantially during season 7 of Buffy -- it redeemed her character in my eyes.

As for Buffy, I suppose she wasn't actually a teenager at the time, but the "thing" that I waited impatiently for her to grow out of was her torment over her BDSM relationship with Spike during season 5 of Buffy. I kept shouting at the screen, "It's not a big deal. It's just a slightly kinky, mostly physical sexual relationship with an entirely willing partner with no illusions as to your emotional commitment here. It doesn't mean your moral core is crumbling. Relax!"

Whew. I didn't realize how much I wanted to get that off my chest :)

All that said, I've really enjoyed both shows and would like to give all props to Joss et al.

Indigo S.

Yes, I agree that given enough time Connor would have developed into a much better character. I just got tired of all his drama and anger. The brat could clearly see that Angel was trying to do his best. If Angel was truly bad as Connor's step-father told him, Connor would have been able to figure it out in short order, but the kid wasn't even going to listen in the begining, so Angel had to beat him up a few times, or catch a bullet in the chest before Connor suddnely realized that maybe what he was told about Angel might have been a lie.

Dawn from BtVS annoyed me in the beginning, but in her case I sort of liked her. I really liked her later on when she got older. You have to admit that Dawn developed into a couragous character worthy of bearing the name "Summer."

-River

MRBLUESUN

Wednesday, April 4, 2007 9:38 PM

My God is this thread still going?!!

I may wear brown, but theres a little purple mixed in there too.

SERENITYINSCOTLAND

Friday, April 6, 2007 11:38 AM

Gotta say, first time through Conner did my head in - I was with the 'I hate Conner crowd' all the way.

Just in the process of watching Angel from start to finish again (midway through season 5). And now I hold my hand up - I was wrong.

He's a great character. He was manipulated his whole life by Holtz, Justine and Cordelia/Jasmine. He doesn't have the same moral compass as the rest of us because noone has ever taught him about right and wrong. Sure Angel gave a couple of preachy speeches about being a champion, but never had a chance to properly teach him. And considering all this, even with all the awful things hes done (don't include sinking Angel - he was tricked into thinking he was evil), he still makes the right choice in the end and kills Jasmine. And once he has a moral compass in season 5 based on his fake life, his character got a much more positive reaction from the fanbase.

His reaction to Angel's line in 'Spin the Bottle' "I never asked to be born" says a lot for me. And his wrenching line in 'Home' almost had me in tears this time through.
"Can't be save by a lie. Can't be saved at all"

DANIELFYRE

Monday, April 9, 2007 12:33 PM

I have mixed feelings about Conner's character. When he was initially introduced I thought it would be a cool idea for Angel to be a father and be able to have some type of real attachment to someone who if he got close wouldn't ultimately lead to his reverting to Angelus. As far as Connor's winnyness well yeah he did live in a hell demension raised by a guy who essentially stole him out of revenge he took the whole whinning to a new level. Early on its understandable, but that doesn't make it any less annoying. Also I would agree that given the way he was raised that he would be more broody as opposed to whinny. The post-new life Conner was a far more tolerable dare I say even likeable character for me. I think Joss wrote himself into a pickle with Conner's development and the only way to get him out of it was pretty much pulling that whole new life hiatus for him. In the end I could deal with Conner.

One character I however hated EVERYTHING about was/is Dawn. I think beyond the annoyingness of her was the way she was dropped into the series. I'm sorry but that has got to be Joss's worst writting ever. The whole idea of her just pissed me off. One second she's not there then bam annoying brat in the living room, what the hell? I honestly thought that the mistake would've been realized and "taken care of" by now but no into season 8 the brat is still alive and pissing me off...I hate you Dawn (Michelle Trachtenburg remains hot though...)

-Daniel Fyre

"real men juggle geese"

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