Mac vs. PC
POSTED BY: Gomithrous
UPDATED: Friday, November 17, 2006 19:02
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They both have their strengths.
Though the PC's biggest strength is also it's weakness. Macs are less crash prone because Apple controls all the Hardware and Software that runs on them. Most problems with IBM's can be linked directly to bad third party hardware, drivers and software.
I'm going right off Apple in general nowadays. Their buisness practice is worse than Microsofts.
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Citizen, I think you may have dated yourself by calling all PC's "IBM"...I say this as I type on an IBM laptop...ironic?
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Quote:Not really, Mac's and IBM's are both PCs, what we tend to call PC's are IBM compatibles. Don't know if you know that already, not meaning to be patronising if that is the case, just explaining. I have always known the PC as the "IBM compatible PC".
Originally posted by jpstargazer:
Citizen, I think you may have dated yourself by calling all PC's "IBM"...I say this as I type on an IBM laptop...ironic?
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What I meant was:
I don't think it dates me, I've grown up around Computers and I have a BSc in Computer Science, so I've always learnt PC's to be IBM compatibles, truth be told the first IBM PC 8088 went on the market before I was born...
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Point taken. I guess it's one of those situations where words take a different meaning from their inception. While PC stands for personal computer, it has come to mean an IBM compatible computer. This has technically changed, I guess, with Apple's transition from the Power PC chips to the Intel chips, but whatever. I guess I'm just used to people using "IBM" in lieu of "PC" when referring to a Windows computer, kind of like people that call a photocopy a "Xerox." I didn't mean to offend you (I'm glad that on the FF boards, people seem a lot more friendly and more understanding) since clearly you have more of a background with your degree than I do.
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Has to be PC, Macs are in my view actually ugly(I don't like apples design on Macs or i pods),second less powerful,thirdly the mouse is so f**king crap,fourthly the OS is slow & weak, & the design setup is not that nice, even though I do admit Macs rarely ever crash or have problems but hey my computers only crashed once since I got it a year ago(I don't count freezes cause all of them so far are attributed to my graphics card while I'm playing a game).
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Actually Dataless, I had a seperate PC just for playing WoW which broke down. I was forced to put it on my Mac and I thought the lag would be horrible but it actually works better than on the PC. Oh and by the way are you Horde or Alliance?
For the Horde!!!
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Quote:You didn't offend me, far from it.
Originally posted by jpstargazer:
I didn't mean to offend you (I'm glad that on the FF boards, people seem a lot more friendly and more understanding) since clearly you have more of a background with your degree than I do.
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@JPSTARGAZER:
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My beef with Mac (and Steve Jobs in general) is that it's a closed operating system, so there's really no third party development.
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I'd hate to tell you this, but Mac OS is far more open than windows. We do have the Xnu source for intel Macs after all:
http://www.macosforge.org/
Amoung other components as well.
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Basically, if I had a Mac, I couldn't upgrade any parts or build my own computer.
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Are you bitching about the OS not being open (which is partially wrong) or not being able to swap hardware? Because the way you are talking, I think that you are confusing the two for being the same when they are actually very very different.
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Also, Mr. Jobs is constantly railing on Microsoft for stealing things from the Mac OS and then after however many years of the one-button mouse, Mac's now come with a two-button mouse and Steve Jobs is touting it as the greatest thing to happen to computing since the internet.
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The two button mouse was not invented by M$.
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PC's appeal to me because of the versatility. I've constantly upgraded my computer (which is more than 4 years old) and it still runs great. If it was a Mac, I would have had to buy a new one or be stuck with an old computer.
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If you would have bought a decent Mac you wouldn't have needed to upgrade.
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Since I don't fall into that category (engineer, so if it won't run on Windows, it's probably a Unix program), I have no need for a Mac.
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Really?
http://www.apple.com/science/
http://www.apple.com/science/scientificcomputing.html
There's also darwin ports as well as netbsd's (I believe it's netbsd) ports tree running on OS X as well.
I'll also point out that if you were doing some hardcore scientific computing there is no way that you'd be able to run that on Windows for stability reasons i.e. There's a reason why Linux (and the BSD's to a certain extent) are used for such tasks:
https://www.scientificlinux.org/
Sorry, I'll trust the people at Fermilab and CERN over some random engineer.
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And don't even get me started about how some Mac owners think they're so much better than PC owners...you may like your Mac better than my PC, but does that give you the right to be condescending to me? I mean, I've had Mac users treat me like I was a child because I clearly didn't know anything about computers since I was using a virus-laden, evil-corporation-produced, "blue screen o' death" machine.
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I keep hearing people say things like this, but I've never seen it to any semblence of a large extent. Where do people go where they run into people like this?
@GOMITHROUS:
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First Mac people do generally treat PC users like the Alliance would the Independants (have you seen the commercials?).
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Personally, I find them funny. I also think that they are intended to be taken as humour and not totally serious jabs. When did the world become so sensitive that people can't take a couple good pokes?
(also here @STINKINGROSE)
That being said, I really think that apple has shot themselves in the foot with at least on of the commercials. Why the hell would they say things like (paraphrase) "With Mac OS X I don't have to worry about viruses."? When I saw that commercial, I just thought, how long till one gets published. Got my answer just yesterday:
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/03/1724252
@DATALESS:
Excellent points.
@JPSTARGAZER:
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Yeah, Boot Camp seems to be pretty cool. I think it's funny though because MS designs Windows with every other company to make it super compatible, but you'll never see Mac OS run on a PC because they keep all development in house. That may be a smart business move since Mac's can run the competitor's software, but they don't release theirs for the competitor (Microsoft) for the same thing. Seems kinda cheap to me, but maybe that's the Linux "open source" mentality sneaking in.
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In all honesty where are you getting all this mis-information?
1) M$ does NOT
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And in conclusion, Macs rule!!! And dont give me any crap on about gaming. Yes Macs cant run alot of games but games arent everything.
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Try buying a song from iTunes, you aren't allowed to re-encode it (so you aren't allowed to listen to it on anything but an Apple iPod) for this reason and others Apples DRM is even more restrictive than MS's. Who, exactly, does Apple think they are telling me how and where I may listen to music I have paid for?
iPods are completely closed, you can't even get an SDK for them (I've tried), as has been shown by others if your iPods battery dies it's cheaper to buy a new unit than to get a new battery installed.
Apple restricts Hardware, I can buy an x86 pc chip from a number of companies for insertion into a PC, for Macs you have a choice of who Apple decides can produce Mac chips (currently Intel, used to be IBM with the PowerPC). It goes even further than that, the chipset is Intel, compare this to the PC, where you can have a VIA, NVidia, AMD or any number of other chipsets.
Where as Windows has their SDKs for download by anyone who wants, and obviously its even easier for open source operating Systems like Linux. Compare this to Apple, who if they do bother to release an SDK make you jump through hoops and often be a registered developer to get at it. As for MS being monopolistic (and I agree) Apple is even worse, they decide everything from the Software to the Hardware, and if buying a Mac it's Apple or nothing.
But nowadays Apples are little more than glorified IBM's anyway, they run on IBM compatible x86 chips, using IBM compatible chipsets and IBM compatible memory. They can now natively run PC operating systems (such as Windows). They're little more than a PC manufacture with their own Operating System now, and I'm completely confident that I can build a faster and equally stable machine that costs no more and possible less on a simple IBM platform.
In summation:
MS is controlling and Monopolistic, Apple is even worse, monopolising and controlling the Mac's hardware and software to the exclusion of all others. Their DRM and other practices suck even harder than MS's, in fact if Mac's were dominant over PCs (which they aren't, I remind you, because of Apples business practices) then I think people would be up in arms about Apples practices to a far greater degree than MS. Apple is, to all intent and purpose MS + Intel but without any competition (within the Mac world) whatsoever.
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One last thing:
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Personally, I find them funny. I also think that they are intended to be taken as humour and not totally serious jabs. When did the world become so sensitive that people can't take a couple good pokes?
Quote:Physician heal thy self?
Please stick to facts and not childishly making fun of the names things got like that has anything to do with how good the software (or its manufacturer) is.
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