a rant about North Korea

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MINK

Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:08 PM

We'd need the draft. The whole Iraq thing is so bungled, it staggers the imagination. If we were going to invade, we should have put the country on a war footing with a war economy and everybody tightening their belts with massive tax increases, instead we're printing up the money to do it, which will haunt us shortly. And we should've sent in a force of 350K++ to put the whole country in lockdown and set up a military governorship with an iron fist and then worked on a long slow transition to democratic rule.

But nobody would have wanted that. F%ck it, I was once in favor of the invasion but now that I realize what complete nincompoops the Iraqis are (to say nothing of our government), I sincerely regret it.

There, I admitted it. Crow is eaten.

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

KANEMAN

Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mink:
We'd need the draft. The whole Iraq thing is so bungled, it staggers the imagination. If we were going to invade, we should have put the country on a war footing with a war economy and everybody tightening their belts with massive tax increases, instead we're printing up the money to do it, which will haunt us shortly. And we should've sent in a force of 350K++ to put the whole country in lockdown and set up a military governorship with an iron fist and then worked on a long slow transition to democratic rule.

But nobody would have wanted that. F%ck it, I was once in favor of the invasion but now that I realize what complete nincompoops the Iraqis are (to say nothing of our government), I sincerely regret it.

There, I admitted it. Crow is eaten.

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

Hit out of the park. Let's not make the same mistake in NK.

CITIZEN

Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
We're currently repositioning our mobile aircraft carriers around Iran. What utter lunacy. We should take any portion of the fleet which is not involved in Iraq, and not involved in defending something that need defending, and move it to Korea, where it presently belongs.

That's why we have ships, because they can move. And a move like this would send the message: "If you invade South Korea, you're going to have to deal with us."

I agree with this.

In the 1970's the same situations that led to the Falklands war happened while the then Labour government was in power. The government bolstered the naval and army presence in the area and there was no war.

It happens again and the then government under Thatcher reduces the naval presence.

Sometimes flying the flag can stop a war before it starts. It's the old playground bully thing, who do they start a fight with? The guy who lies down and lets it happen or the one who show's he's prepared to fight back?

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CITIZEN

Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:37 PM

Who made me double post?

DREAMTROVE

Friday, October 20, 2006 1:17 PM

Citizen,

Sure. You have to back your stick up though. If the enemy attacks, you have to defend. "why the falkland war happened" at some level is the fault of argentina, who was itching for a war. they were going to invade someone else, i don't remember who, but the pope stepped in and said "no" and so they attacked the falklands instead. The US acts like that sometimes, and even saddam's invasion of kuwait was based on similar logic. To use a crude analogy, a war machine is like a penis. If it doesn't get to penetrate one sovereign nation, it looks around for the closest thing it can do.

But you're right, you can avoid being that target by maintaining a strong defense. Of course, N. Korea's other choices are Russia, China and Japan, all of which would soundly kick its ass. Maybe one should just give Kim Jong Il a stack of soldier of fortune and leave him alone in the bathroom for half an hour.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, October 20, 2006 1:38 PM

Mink,

No, we don't.

A draft would create a war machine with a limitless standing army. it would attack everything in site, like clinton in a whorehouse, to follow my crude analogy.

But this wasn't the problem. We had plenty of guys. What we didn't do was making any friends. We should have made deals with Turkey, and launched from there. They were willing to let us for $15B or something. Easily worth it. Then we invade Kurdistan, and secure it. We torture no one and imprison no one. We start right away constructing hospitals, schools and residences, stuff saddam hussein had destroyed in his bombing campaigns.

This would win us a strong ally. The Kurds would then step in to fill up our ranks. We assemble a local army of Iraqis, and arm it, train it, and prepare to lead it into action. All the while we heavily guard the borders of Kurdistan, the military training camps and the reconstruction efforts. While we're here, we set up and oil-share deal with the kurds. Something like we help them get the oil and sell it internationally, and in exchange for that, and our defense of them against saddam, they sell us 1/2 the production at cost plus, and the other half goes to the open market and they keep all the proceeds in a permanent fund or something, use half of that to run a local govt. and distribute the remaining portion to the populous. The people are happy.

Next, we find the Shiia sympathizers. There were plenty who had serious issues with saddam. Our situation in Kurdistan now is much better than the Shiia are getting from Saddam. They also outnumber him. Territory by territory, you attack, secure, and build local support by doing just what you did in kurdistan. When you attack, you'll be fighting Saddam's standing army, but not the shiia, who don't really oppose what you're trying to do, at least, not enough that would make for an armed conflict.

With the Shia territories in control, Saddam's Iraq is like a kuwait reaching up to baghdad. You're next target is the Sunni fundementalists. They hate saddam too, but in a different way. See, these people never toppled saddam not because they loved him, but because he was strong and they were divided. The sunni radicals despise the secular nature of the saddam govt. You get support from their strongholds, invade, conquer, and do what you did other places. Now you have about 2.5 million iraqis in your army, and basically all the oil, and most of iraq. Instead of attacking saddam's heavily armed lichtenstan, you negotiate his surrender. It's painfully obvious who would win the remaining armed conflict, even to a man as stubborn as saddam. You offer him a life on an island as a billionaire, and he takes it. If he doesn't, you fight for a little while, and then offer it again.

Eventually, saddam caves, and you take his army and govt, and intergrate it into the one you already have, introduce democratic elections. You get half the oil, and it's completely above board, and trust me, the iraqis would take it. The saddam govt. was keeping easily half the oil profits for itself before, and an awful lot of countries in the world have accepted a lot worse deals in exchange for peace, stability and a first world infrastructure.

W

HERO

Friday, October 20, 2006 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
A draft would create a war machine with a limitless standing army.

Wow, thats quite a leap. Why didn't it happen back when we had the draft? In WW2 or Vietnam why didn't the limitless American War Machine take over the world?

How about Russia, they currently have a draft, why haven't they attacked everything in sight?

Limitless standing army...HAH!

H

GEEZER

Friday, October 20, 2006 3:09 PM

Quote:
Report: N. Korea 'Sorry' for Nuke Test

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Il said Pyongyang didn't plan to carry out any more nuclear tests and expressed regret about the country's first-ever atomic detonation last week, a South Korean news agency reported Friday.

http://wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=949137

Kim: "Oops. We rearry, rearry, sorry. My finger sripped."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CITIZEN

Friday, October 20, 2006 3:36 PM

The problem with your plan for Iraq, DT, is that it's the long game without the big bangs and flag waving hysteria "we got the bad guys, we got 'em good huya!".

The American Public would've got bored with it about four seconds after it started. Instant gratification man, if you're state doesn't win the war in under 2 minutes it just rolls over and goes to sleep...

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MINK

Friday, October 20, 2006 3:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
A draft would create a war machine with a limitless standing army.

Wow, thats quite a leap. Why didn't it happen back when we had the draft? In WW2 or Vietnam why didn't the limitless American War Machine take over the world?

How about Russia, they currently have a draft, why haven't they attacked everything in sight?

Limitless standing army...HAH!

H

Not to mention all the places without a draft per se, but rather universal mandatory service, like, oh, say ... Switzerland? The former West Germany? Israel (if anybody wants to pounce on that one as a counterexample, go ahead and make yourself look like an idiot)?

That's not to say the rest of the stuff in dt's post is a bad idea.

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

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