Male and Female Imponderables - Everybody's Fool

POSTED BY: magdalena
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 20:27
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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, October 16, 2006 1:38 PM

*thinks Penguin is mildly confused*

Awwwwww, but I didn't get to see much of you, jie-jie!
Alright, sleep well!

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show 'Versal your gratitude!

A good friend who points out mistakes and imperfections and rebukes evil is to be respected as if he reveals a secret of hidden treasure. - Gautama Siddharta

TRISTAN

Monday, October 16, 2006 2:56 PM

Morning, all!
Back from a long, interesting weekend involving arcade games, and auction, and a 6 hour drive...much fun, but very little sleep!
And look what I missed:
I got into this website after about seven months of searching for the right place. I was a Browncoat but did not know there was a label for it...and I did not know there were this many other people that loved the show and movie as much as I did. Yes, I was naive; sorry! Now that I have found FFF, I visit everyday, barring any out-of-town trips, internet problems, or heavy workloads. I love the conversations, the emails, everything! Heck, where else are you going to find such an attractive, intelligent, witty fan base, eh?
I have also never joined another fan site. I am a member of one or two other Firefly boards, but since I became really active in here, I don't visit anywhere else all that often anymore. Y'all are my family.

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JONNYQUEST

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Just on biological setups - did you know that you get 'butterflies' in your stomach because all the blood rushes out of there and into, well, more sexually important organs.

Is that why you come here?

After becoming a Browncoat in spirit (I am one of the "saw-the-movie-oh-it-was-series-before-that?" crowd), I couldn't get enough Firefly and websearched (not just Googled) for whatever I could find. I happened across FFF.net and SAHARA--who doesn't post nearly enough anymore--gave it a recommendation. I'm not a joiner (my Forsaken membership is strictly honorary and by association only), so I lurked for a while before "signing up". This is the only place I have ever found worthy of my presence. And I am humbled when I visit.

FFF is delightfully and thoughtfully laid out (thanks to Haken, I assume) and easy to use. But it is the Browncoat element. That brings me here again and again. I find that even more than expressing my thoughts (which anyone has who dared to wade through my blogs realizes I don't have a problem expressing) is that I can't wait to read what you all think about things.

What makes FFF so wonderful is that though it is Firefly/Serenity/Joss that binds us all together, we all have our own lives and interests and beliefs that we can discuss here without it necessarily being directly related to the show. Most fansites I've seen are pretty one or two-dimensional and if the show isn't mentioned in a post it's not kosher. We are a community who "live" here by choice, not by circumstance like the "real" world. Everybody (insert usual RWED disclaimer here) respects everyone else even if they don't agree and the discussions are helpful instead of divisive. A day away from you all and I really feel like I've missed out on something important. There are posters I look for and feel cheated when I don't see them. And jeez, it's just plain fun!

Back to SimonWho for a sec. Then why is it that butterlies can negatively impact the...other?

"Well, here I am."

ZEEK

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:09 PM

OK gotta catch up from the weekend.

First from the last thread:

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:
i.) age to be able to have a job. 17. I think kids need to be able to concentrate on school and the school & job thing is a major physical/mental drain that they should be a bit older when trying to juggle those.

That I don't think is a good idea. How are kids supposed to save up any money for the insanely expensive college tuition? I was working 3 part time jobs in high school and I still came out of college with major debt.

As for why I come here, it's the community. Everyone is really cool here. Friendly and accepting and all that. Plus the conversations are pretty interesting too.

I've been involved in one other online community like this. It was probably 6 years ago but basically a thread like this is what kept me coming back. A thread where people just have a long conversation and are all being friendly.

Copilot I don't know what to tell you on this one. Is the guy offering money the same guy that you like? I don't know if I could take drug money and still feel ok about it. Just seems like dirty money to me. However, you might have a different view point on it. So, really it all comes down to the way you feel about it. Though I think if you're asking then you're trying to get us to convince you it's ok.

MSG

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:17 PM

morning all- accidentally posted on old thread so if you want to see me all whiny then go checkit...got sick again( sigh)

Anyway, I actually stumbled in here by accident. MisterG had mentioned the site and I do love Firefly and I had to give my students a test and was truly bored, so I wandered in here and everyone was so great and the imponderables so cool...I stayed and have been so happy!!!. I love you guys and this place ever so much...

Speaking of which..HUGS lovely Magda and sorry I missed you this weekend. I'll email you and whine in a bit:)

Copilot- I think you should go with what feels right, but I will say this. So often people turn down the offer of help not wanting to seem pitiful and weak. When really the person offering was simply trying to be supportive and kind. Taking help means only that you are smart enough to know that you ( like every other human on this planet) can't stand alone and be totally without support. Also, I hate when I offer help that I know is truly needed and have it turned down for the sake of pride. It hurts me to know that the person doesn't trust me enough or feels embarrassed by the help when I offered out of love and friendship.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:23 PM

Mornin' folks!

I came here because I had watched everything that was available to me at that point and needed more connection with the 'verse. Simple as that. I joined a few other Firefly sites, but they moved too slowly, so I haven't really been back. FFF.net has enough members to keep things interesting.

I have been part of other fandoms. I was on the official X-Files site as well as MASHEO (Mulder and Scully Hate Each Other). That was really the first. Internet wise, I am also on a few BB's about horses...one of which is my real internet home.

Are you all as real to me as my real life friends? Hate to say it, but no. Mostly because I'm just not a chatty type person, so I just wouldn't know what to e-mail anyone, etc. And there is only so much, "My horse was so awesome today" that the average non-horseperson can handle. Which is probably why the aforementioned horse board is where I feel most at home (and have met in RL the most people). But all that's not to say that I don't think you all are very shiny people. 'Cause I do.

Oh, and for a little Horseworld/'Verse connection: I was watching my tape of NBC's coverage of the World Equestrian Games (WEG) this weekend and my mouth dropped open when I heard "Going for a ride" from the Serenity soundtrack played over the teaser. I couldn't believe it. Flabbergasted, I tell ya. I had watched the broadcast when it aired but missed the beginning. I was all kinds of excited.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

JONNYQUEST

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:49 PM

I'm glad you mentioned the upper age limit on the driving thing, MSG. While I'm not an advocate of "age", I'm a big proponent of "ability". Surprised nobody else mentioned it 'cause I know that in our heart of hearts we've either laughed at it, or cried about it.

And since everyone else seems to have an opinion on CoPilot's query, I put in my chips, too. I agree with MSG about pride being the negative motivator. I mean one of the reasons we all come here (*cleverly ties thread and sub-thread together*) is for the support of our friends. Is money and emotion qualitatively so different when it comes to aiding--supporting--our friends? Help is help.

Now, the help you're talking about, CoPilot is complicated about where the money comes from. Is the money "dirty"? No, the money did do anything. Is the holder of the money dirty? That is the question. Is it ill-gotten? (As true Browncoats, if that is what we are, we don't look that close, do we?) The bottom line is all about trust. Money between friends can kill a friendship. I've seen it. But money between friends can also be just another no big deal. (Can I have $20 till payday goes on all the time.) The trust is two-fold. Will you feel obligated, or will the friend make you feel obligated until the money is repaid? (This is a loan, right? Because if it isn't--if it's a gift--that changes everything.) That's your side of it. The other side is his. What would happen if you couldn't pay it back? Could you still be friends? Are you willing to risk the friendship (if it's true) on a few hundred dollars? If the friends says "Eh, forget it, it's a gift", will you feel guilty anyway?

"But I will pay it back." I have no doubt you would if you had it. Problem being, did you expect to find yourself in this position even a month ago? Can't predict the future. Jus' sayin'. You gotta ponder. That's all. Weigh it all. Not just what we say. And maybe that's what we mean by listening to your gut.

Don't reject it out of pride. But please be very sure you are compfortable with accepting the money. And very clear on the terms and expectations.

So, my turn. I really need help with this one. How do you keep a post under 500 words?

"Well, here I am."

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:57 PM

Hello fellow ponderers. Bright and wonderful morning here in the Battle Born state.

So, we got our deer, shot video at the range last night, and generally had lotsa fun this weekend.

Now for the hard part. It was suggested by my bestest friend (at 1:00 AM) that I just call Ms. Incredible? this morning and get it over with. What do y'all think?

MSG

Monday, October 16, 2006 3:58 PM

Wow- that was seriously well thought out Jonny:)I would completely agree.

Rugbug- I'd love to listen to all you want to say about how your horse did today, but we are horsey people... which speaking of I must tell you the fabulous story of the ferrier. Came to shoe yesterday and our little ( ha ha 17 1/2 hands 2000 pound Percheron)Tinkerbell, just would not pick up her foot ( which has never happened) and her legs are so heavy there's no way you can make her. We're all standing at the back end trying all kinds of tricks to get her to lift it, when in walks my brother who asks what we're doing and with some frustration my sister tells him. He busts up laugh ing and says he knows just what the problem is. She's been holding her front leg up this whole time, while we've been at the back and she's so big no one could tell

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

ZEEK

Monday, October 16, 2006 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Now for the hard part. It was suggested by my bestest friend (at 1:00 AM) that I just call Ms. Incredible? this morning and get it over with. What do y'all think?

I'd say a big NO to that. You've got the upper hand right now don't you? I mean she called you and asked you out. You turned her down and she said she'd call to ask you out again this week. No need to jump the gun. Wait for her to call and then play it however you like. I wouldn't go showing too much interest by calling her though.

Granted it's all stupid relationshipy game stuff that I don't like, but she seems like she's a game player with the way she's treated you so far.

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