I don't support Bush because...
POSTED BY: Dayve
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 04:58
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Quote:Welcome Ryan. Your voice and perspective are appreciated. And thank you for serving.
Originally posted by USMCHellraiser:
By the way, if I'm not wanted here, my bad. I just thought that you all might value info from someone who was actually over there.
I still think the war in Iraq was a mistake at best, and immoral at worst. Here's the thing. There are terrible, terrible things happening in many, many parts of the world. No matter how many local people would appreciate our soldiers over there, is it the responsibility of hard-working Americans to send their sons and daughters to die, and commit them to a lifetime of debt, to police the world? Where will that stop? Sure, we can justify every invasion/occupation as protecting our national security, but is it really true? And is it right to invade a country that hasn't yet attacked us? Are preemptive strikes our modus operandi now?
The truth is, as much as some people may appreciate our work there, Americans cannot afford this war. We cannot afford it financially. We cannot afford it politically. And most important of all, we cannot afford it in the lives (both physical and emotional) of the soldiers we have lost.
I value the lives of our servicemen and women too much to risk them when we haven't been attacked, when we aren't defending our own soil, and when no other countries are as committed as we are.
There is always the question of what to do with regimes that kill their own: Iraq, Rwanda in 94, Burma, Sudan, just to name a few. For every genocidal maniac we put down, another will take its place. The problem is endless. I am not saying our military should not help in situations like that. But we have to do it with our eyes open, fully aware of the costs and risks that once you meddle, you can never stop. We have to do it with the full consent of the American people, which requires Congress to officially declare war. And we have to do it on a voluntary basis. That is, when we are not defending our own families and homes, our soldiers should have a say in whether or not they want to enter a war for strangers. All servicemen and women who go should be volunteers--not volunteers for the military, but volunteers for that specific war.
Just my opinion.
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Support our troops. Bring them home.
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Kirkules- I support John McCain because he is running. McCain is running his campaign embracing the decision to fight the war in Iraq, and it's working out pretty good for him so far.
only because he has the backing of the military industrial complex; the guys a CFR member, for crying out loud! of course he's going to be for socialized nation building, hes an admitted globalist
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You Bush bashers need to get used to the fact that your not going to have Bush to kick around much longer. If you want to help your side of the debate you might want to direct your efforts towards McCain where they might make a difference.
maybe im naive, but ARE their differences between Bush and McCain? hes got the Bushs endorsements.. so he must not stray too far from that neo-con paradigm. McCain had repeatedly stated he is a 'federalist', which in this day and age means he's another "compassionate conservative," aka big government sell out
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Your only hope of defeating McCain is to hope the war starts to go badly before the election, and that just isn't going to happen.
with respect to our troops, this is a perpetually fatal and flawed policy that has no hope of achieving its objective.
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McCain like Bush realises that the huge sacrifices our military is making today will pay off down the road when the middle east becomes a peaceful part of the civilized world.
what is the purpose of the war in Iraq? is it to establish a democracy, or to stomp out terror(before it reaches us)? history has solidified that you cannot force a political ideology on a foreign populace, by aggressive military means, if they are not willing; it has never worked successfully, without backfiring and creating resentment. in light of this, so long as we are over there, occupying their countries, we are only instigating terrorism. want to stop "terrorism"? prevent criminals from committing crimes... otherwise, you can forget about putting an end to the insurgency(or any future terror event)
even then, do you think a democratic Iraq will prevent terrorism, entirely?? what if it doesnt... shall we invade the next Middle Eastern country we disagree with? its insane.. and there is no end to what you are suggesting. it amounts to global totalitarian policement; its unAMerican!
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That's the essence of what McCain meant by us being in Iraq "100 years". We've been in Germany for 60 year and it's been a good thing for the US and Germany. There's no reason the same thing can't happen in the middle east. Unless of course Obama or Clinton surrender before the job is done.
we're not fighting Iraq, we're fighting individuals and militias. as long as we're their, so too will they be. so in essence, we're accepting perpetual warfare. you do realize that were on the verge of bankruptcy right? we cant afford this war another year, let alone 100. we're not a superpower anymore, besides that such authority is mentioned no where in our constitution. apparently, McCain regards it as a useless piece of paper aswell
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Originally posted by Dayve:
I have never supported this man - as governor of my home state or as president of the lot of em. I could make a list - but lists are boring - suffice it to say, I dislike the policies of this administration and I most definitely do not condone the murder of innocent civilians.
So you must have been absolutely outraged with the Clintons, Reno, algore, right? You must had had such a dilema trying to vote in 2000, with nobody to vote for.
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For Dayve. What civilians are you talking about. Terrorists murdering Americans, Iraqis, or the Jews. But if Clinton bombs catholics in Bosnia to save mooslambs thats ok. I support the president no matter what party. People with your mindset don't fight for anything. I think they call them slaves.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
For Dayve. What civilians are you talking about. Terrorists murdering Americans, Iraqis, or the Jews. But if Clinton bombs catholics in Bosnia to save mooslambs thats ok. I support the president no matter what party.
And when Clinton/Reno murder innocent U.S. Citizens in Waco, TX that's OK also, right? Good thing he wouldn't let the U.S. military use their tanks to defend themselves in combat that week, so he could use the flame-throwing tanks in Waco on U.S. Citizens. And the justificatuion for murdering these citizens? Reno stated they were "stockpiling weapons" which is not a crime in the United States. With the state of Texas average of every man, woman, and child possessing 4.2 weapons, the murdered Citizens in Waco averaged 2.2 weapons for every man, woman, and child - none of them WMDs, just guns and such. I cannot support a President who wants to kill Law-abiding Citizens like myself.
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Before ya put the red dots on me, I didn't vote for em, nope, no sir rebob. I thought Timothy McVie got em back or did he? Anyhoow Why I hate Clinton is another thread. Enjoyed the chat will talk later gotz to go. lator gator PC.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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