I still can't believe that (SPOILER, don't read if you haven't seen the movie)

POSTED BY: browncoatmike
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 17:12
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TEACHDAIRE

Sunday, October 1, 2006 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Windstruck:
I agree with Rose.

Book remains a big question mark until the end.
He was never full revealed in the show. We know he has military connections, combat knowledge and a keen eye for criminal investigation.
He has training with weapons.

Although, does anyone think he is a LEGITIMATE preacher??? I got my votes on MAYBE.

If you read the novelisation of the movie, it's revealed that the opeative and book know each other.

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, October 1, 2006 12:07 PM

Hell, there during the battle scene at the end, I thought Joss was gonna kill ALL of 'em...

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Sunday, October 1, 2006 12:57 PM

You don't even need to use the Power Ranger reference. Just look at Joss' other works to find the formula. Since Buffy started, Joss wanted you to know that no one was sacred. Every character could die.

Buffy and Angel Spoiler Alert

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In the very first episode of Buffy, Joss killed Jesse (for those that don't know, he was 'best friends' with Willow and Xander). Next major death was on Angel, he killed Doyle, a major character the whole season. Other major deaths included (but certainly not limited to) Cordelia, Spike, Joyce (Buffy's mom), Winifred, Wesley, Buffy (twice), Anya, and Tara (on the first episode she appeared on no less).

Joss kills characters off to move a plot or just to prove to us that he can. No one is above death, not even the main character. It's Joss' style, it always keeps us guessing. And I for one, wouldn't have it any other way. If they make a BDS, Book and Wash will certainly be missed, but I understand why Joss felt they had to go.

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PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, October 1, 2006 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by Teachdaire:
If you read the novelisation of the movie, it's revealed that the opeative and book know each other.

Cool as the novel is, Joss has said that some of it isn't canon. I would be interested to know if the original script had that scene in it.

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NOSADSEVEN

Sunday, October 1, 2006 2:35 PM

I agree with PR.

Book was a puzzle. I liked to watch him, I liked to see what he had to say. I wanted to know what the deal was with his past. When he died, I felt loss and sadness, but in that fictional, dramatic sort of way. I felt Mal's motivation, I felt vengeful, I felt like you always feel when a beloved character gets killed. It brings you someplace in the movie.

Wash was my friend. My friend. He was the character with today's sensibilities. Wash was that step between my world and their world. He wasn't even my favorite character of the bunch, but he just kept it real. His death affected me like no other movie character death has. I felt true loss and pain, directly. Usually I feel drama, I feel the other characters' pain, I feel the loss of possibility. With Wash, I just felt hurt. I felt like I was kicked in the gut. It wasn't that Zoe or Mal or Kaylee were sad and frightened. It was me. And I was seriously scared that Joss was going to kill 'em all. To the extent that I actually did not enjoy the end of the movie the first time I saw it, because I'd lost my security that things would be ok. It seriously took me time to get over it. I knew he was just a fictional character, but the emotions his death created were real.

So, it's not just that Wash's death affected me more than Book's. Wash's death affected me more deeply and more real-ly than any fictional death ever has. Damn you, Joss Whedon! (ETA: And of course, thank you, Joss Whedon!)

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YESMYNAMEISKALI

Sunday, October 1, 2006 7:33 PM

i was watching the BDM last night for the 'Versary and when it got to the part where Wash dies, I started crying and almost couldn't laugh at anything for the rest of the movie... ALMOST

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AKUKODOGO

Monday, October 2, 2006 1:14 AM

Me too, I had a sniffly nose and teary eyes so many times even though I knew everything was coming. I still grunted when Serenity hit the runway, I still felt Simon's bullet and the Operatives sword going into Mal. Rivers fear and confusion, her actually being better after the secret was explained. Kaylee's determination to live. Inara's uncertainty at staying with the ship. All the feelings were there.
I liked Book because he was the balance. The old bull in the paddock to show the young bulls how to get to be old bulls.
I liked Wash caused he loved his wife and was as brave as he could be for her.
Joss's writing is like life, there are all sorts of bends in the road and not everyone everyone's end is with you.
2007 is the cut off date for Fox, imagine how much Joss could do with his characters with a four year gap in their story.
How great were Joss's story arcs - infinite.

Savewash - may I suggest keeping very very still, and sit, casually, slightly behind to help keep your reactions to your own self. My two cents worth

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SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Monday, October 2, 2006 4:07 PM

everytime I watch the BDM, I bawl at the end, I just can't help myself. I start from the first time he says the 'leaf on the wind' quote, because I know what's coming, all the way up until Mal asks Jayne if he brought grenades.

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SMAUG

Tuesday, October 3, 2006 5:12 PM

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Joss kills characters off to move a plot or just to prove to us that he can. No one is above death, not even the main character. It's Joss' style, it always keeps us guessing. And I for one, wouldn't have it any other way. If they make a BDS, Book and Wash will certainly be missed, but I understand why Joss felt they had to go.

I agree with everyone's point about how Wash and Book's deaths were necissary for the plot of the story. But more than just it being Joss's style.. or that he can.. I believe there is something even more.

Often the most intense moments of one's life.. is when suffereing a loss. Grief.. there is hardly a more intense forever lingering emotion. When a story, book, movie, etc. has a happy fairy tale ending.. you smile.. you say that was a good story.. and you go on. Years later.. you may hardly remember the story at all. But how many stories have you heard or seen your entire life... that involved trajedy.. that you will vividly carry the rest of your life? How many times has trajedy happened in your real life.. that if you think upon it.. you remember your every heartbeat.. your every breath.. your every thought during that time? Yes.. life will go on.. but trajedy changes you.. it strikes a cord in your soul that will never stop ringing.

For those who "enjoyed" Serenity.. life goes on. For those of us who "loved" Serenity.. this world.. this universe.. these characters.. these stories.. Book and Washes death... strikes a cord we will never forget. That's why I believe Joss did it.. ultimatly..

Sometimes when you love something.. or someone.. soooo much... losing them... all you can do... all you can ever feel.. is missing them... and grieve... forever.. holding the memory and love of them forever at the core of your soul..

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