What were the Independents Really Fighting For?
POSTED BY: Ty
UPDATED: Saturday, August 9, 2003 14:22
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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
In Bushwhacked the Alliance commander mentions that he hasn't seen that type of torture (the survivor of the Revers attack split his tongue down the center) since the war. I doubt he’s talking about the Alliance, so there‘s a little hint about some Browncoat tactics. Just because most of the Browncoats we’ve seen have been pretty decent doesn’t mean they all were, or even most of them.
I dunno, to me he seemed to be coming across at Mal in the fashion of "Hey, we both served in the war, shit happened on both sides." I definitely got a sense of 'shared misery' button-pushing out of that session. You have to bear in mind that it was still an interrogation, with all the games and rhetorical tricks that are usually employed in such situations.
We have the reference of Zoe's anecdote of apples and grenades in War Stories, and such events do tend to spur retaliation. But small-scale atrocities that can be written off to the heat of battle or your occasional Lt. Calley differ greatly from a campaign of premeditated usage of WMDs on civilian populations.
There ain't nothin' I can't overcome or come to know. So lay your heavy load down on me, strip everything I have away. I am not your prisoner, I am not afraid.
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Well, unfortunate as it might seem, we don't know what may have incited the use of chem/bio weapons. The Browncoats may have easily used terrorist attacks against Alliance targets, thus the use of bioweapons. The target may have been an enemy camp, but one misguided shot into civvies... I hate to refer to the Browncoats as terrorists, but I think that it is far more likely that Indie troops would use such tactics than not.
Oh, my God! WHO'S FLYING THIS THING!!! Oh, right, that would be me...
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Originally posted by blackstar:
Well, unfortunate as it might seem, we don't know what may have incited the use of chem/bio weapons. The Browncoats may have easily used terrorist attacks against Alliance targets, thus the use of bioweapons. The target may have been an enemy camp, but one misguided shot into civvies... I hate to refer to the Browncoats as terrorists, but I think that it is far more likely that Indie troops would use such tactics than not.
Oh, my God! WHO'S FLYING THIS THING!!! Oh, right, that would be me...
Okay, granting your point (and it's a good one) I still contend that the nature and feel of the post-war environment would likely be different.
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I'm afraid that I’m not going to read all that, but in answer to the original question I think that a computer game called Deus Ex says it quite well.
“The wealthy have always been the ones to profit from one-world government.”
“Average people never benefit from government and business on a scale they can't even understand.”
“A few bureaucrats in New York can't make good decisions for New Jersey, let alone Paris or a village in China.”
These views are debatable, but when expanded to an entire solar system (or galaxy, last I checked we still weren’t sure) they describe the independents. The Central Planets were the wealthy, and by taking over all of the planets they were able to make things better for them, but because the government was so much larger the concerns of individual planets, and thus their citizens, would be less important in the government.
The smaller a government is the better it can address the concerns of the individual, this is because there are fewer individuals to try to support. Multi tiered governments attempt to fix this by having city/county/state/country, but the city can not suspend the laws of the tiers above it because they don’t benefit it’s people. Larger governments can be necessary to prevent fighting between parts, and also for protection. Further they are capable of helping the individual better if they see the need, an example of this would be FEMA in the US.
Also how would you feel is somewhere on the other side of the world a bunch of people decided it was time for one world government, which would mean that they got to be in charge of everyone?
That’s my take on the situation.
Also we have a state called Maine because my ancestors saw the opportunity to break away from their ruler as they had been trying to do for years. The opportunity was a fear in the nation that one side would overpower the other in the issue of slavery.
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WHEW!!!!
Browncoats, you have all outdone yourselves in your educated and well written responses to this thread. Many thanks and much appreciation to all who have participated.
...do you think this thread can be shut down now?
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Originally posted by Ty:
WHEW!!!!
Browncoats, you have all outdone yourselves in your educated and well written responses to this thread. Many thanks and much appreciation to all who have participated.
...do you think this thread can be shut down now?
Oh, certainly. If Drakon wishes to carry on the dialogue we've established, feel free to email me at archero@SoftHome.net
(Inside secret... discussions of the war lead to the discussions of the parallels of the series with the War of Northern Aggression and its attendant aftermath, and that always fills up a thread in a great gobbin' hurry.)
There ain't nothin' I can't overcome or come to know. So lay your heavy load down on me, strip everything I have away. I am not your prisoner, I am not afraid.
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Originally posted by Archer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ty:
WHEW!!!!
Browncoats, you have all outdone yourselves in your educated and well written responses to this thread. Many thanks and much appreciation to all who have participated.
...do you think this thread can be shut down now?
Oh, certainly. If Drakon wishes to carry on the dialogue we've established, feel free to email me at archero@SoftHome.net
(Inside secret... discussions of the war lead to the discussions of the parallels of the series with the War of Northern Aggression and its attendant aftermath, and that always fills up a thread in a great gobbin' hurry.)
And so long as we're sure Alabama's not going anywhere.
Sarah
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
And so long as we're sure Alabama's not going anywhere.
Sarah
I swear, I left it where I found it. If it got lost, somebody else did the losin'.
There ain't nothin' I can't overcome or come to know. So lay your heavy load down on me, strip everything I have away. I am not your prisoner, I am not afraid.
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First I have to say that this thread has been very educational and a lot of fun to read. My hat is off to everyone especially Drakon and Archer. I'd like to sit quietly at that corner of the bar while you two discuss history and politics someday.
Now in reply to JohnnyReb's post,
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Does anybody remember why we have a state called Maine? Because Missouri would have put too many slave holders in Senate. Texas entered the Union as a slave holding state, so California had to enter as a free state. The reason that the South "took their ball and went home," is that they couldn't get a fair shake.
The South had it's advantages too. Wasn't a pecentage (3/5ths) of the slave population counted for purpose of determinng the number of congressional representatives and electoral votes?
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Yep, the infamous 3/5ths compromise. Slave states wanted to count them as regular citizens for the purpose of size of state representation, Northern states wanted them to not count at all, and this is what they came up with in the end.
There ain't nothin' I can't overcome or come to know. So lay your heavy load down on me, strip everything I have away. I am not your prisoner, I am not afraid.
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