Do You Have a Thinking Problem?
POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Friday, April 24, 2026 00:33
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Heya, antimason, I've been meaning to reply to you on several threads now, but you're so prolific (the entire board is on fire with controversy of late), that I can't seem to formulate my ideas before you (and everyone else) are onto the next topic. I'm not complaining! It's great to be part of such a vital online community!
So anyway, some thoughts...
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Originally posted by antimason:
i just want to address your comments. proof, can mean a number of things... do we have proof that the north won the civil war? thats considered a fact...even though it is more a subjective historical obvservation. so what about all of the cultures of the ancient world..as far back as is documented, reporting of "gods" and superhuman entities and encounters?
As I was saying to Finn, the Church was way into "debunking" ancient cultures' views of the devine and the "superhuman" long before modern science. A lot of what ancient cultures had to say about the divine contradicts the Bible; why, a lot of the Bible contradicted the Bible until they had the Council of Nicaea (on a related tangent, in your estimation, who were the people Cain settled among and where did they come from?).
Quote:I've often wondered this myself. If I read the same, or very similar stories from entirely disperate sources, I tend to grant the story some credibility--maybe not in the details, but enough to acknowledge that there's something there at least, you know? Some specific phenomenon people in different places all experienced. Take sacrificing animals to the gods. How many cultures throughout the world have practiced some form of this? What the heck for? On the face of it, this is a very, very strange practice. But human beings throughout history and around the world have found meaning in this.
apparently none of those facts matter since Darwin came along; and i think their is a fair bit of hypocracy, since evolution is to rely on a belief that Man simply evolved from apes, period; considering all of our ancestors believed differently, why arent their belifs taken into account?
Seems to me, particularly in matters of religion, imagination must take a back seat to survival. Seems to me there must have been a set of circumstances world wide that lead people to believe in their gods and treat them the way they did. What circumstances were these? Sure, we can dismiss it all as "primitive psychology" but I'm not a big fan of simply dismissing whole cultures, so I wonder if there wasn't something more to it.
Same with something as ostensibly kooky as Bigfoot. There's got to be something there, some focus around which these stories have developed. What that is, I got no idea, but to simply cry "hoax" seems to be missing the point. It speaks more to the debunker's poor opinion of human nature (given the number of lying and/or clueless people needed to perpetuate these "hoaxes") than about the validity of the many witnesses' claims, don't you think?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Hey Anti- I'm curious- sicne you quote the Bible extensively... What do you think of the Gospel of Thomas
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
the Gospel of Judas
www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/document_nf.html
and the Dead Sea scrolls?
www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/wsrp/educational_site/dead_sea_scrolls/
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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I don't understand where Anti is coming from. Like Bush et al, how can you claim a religion as yours if you pick and chose those parts you believe?
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Quote:Because Anti knows what the one true faith is, and everyone else is out of step?
I don't understand where Anti is coming from. Like Bush et al, how can you claim a religion as yours if you pick and chose those parts you believe?
Now, I happen to like what Anti says much of the time. The religion I grew up with (John XXIII Catholicism) emphasized love, humility, and sincerity as the major part of the teachings of Jesus. "Blessed are the peacemakers" "The greatest of these is love..." "And the young man turned away sad..." "Give him also your shirt..." "Let he who is without sin..." "My house will be called a house of prayer but you are making it a den of robbers."
It's very clear that Bush and the Christofascists stay away from the New Testament as if it would burn their fingers.
But like all matters of faith there is no way of proving that the Bible is the Word of God, or that any one's intepretation is truer than anyone else's. Just 'cause I find it congenial doesn't mean it's true.
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Quote:Two guy sitting on a hill, 6300 BC.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Take sacrificing animals to the gods. How many cultures throughout the world have practiced some form of this? What the heck for? On the face of it, this is a very, very strange practice. But human beings throughout history and around the world have found meaning in this.
"Hey Al, there's those dark clouds comin' again."
"Yeah, looks like trouble."
"One of da Gods. They're pissed again. Seen it before."
"Someone's gonna get killed. HEY- Mikey, ya know that freakin' bull that gored me last year? Let's kill it and specifically proclaim it to be 'FOR THE GODS', if somethin's gotta go, why not that thing? I still got a scar and everything!"
"You mean fool the Gods?"
"Naw, just placate 'em is all."
"Hey Al....whutz 'placate' mean?"
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's very clear that Bush and the Christofascists stay away from the New Testament as if it would burn their fingers.
Or shift the importance to Paul which, given his overt misogyny, is perhaps unsurprising. In my own opinion, the writings of Paul and the dreamings of John have become much more important in certain circles than the teachings of Jesus.
I wanted to chime in a bit on the debate in this thread.
It's not surprising to me that there is an antagonism towards science from some organized religions, especially the denominations that dominate American Christianity. I see it as push back. And it reminds me of the push back against attempts to lessen white privilege.
I don't feel it's too much of a stretch to state that the work of the engineer (working from the playbook drawn up by the scientist) has cut into the traditional work of the religious leader. You used to build the structure and bless it. Now you design it using the current state of knowledge as discovered by scientists (and bless it after the fact, if you are so inclined). As more and more areas of endeavor are purposefully designed, less and less areas of endeavor fall under the control of the church. So they're understandably pissed. If you had centuries and millenia of control that was gradually being weakened, you would be pissed too.
I'm trying to not write too much since I'm short on time so I'm sure this isn't too clear
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SIGNYM- if i may be perfectly honost, i have yet to make up my mind what my opinion is regarding the gnostic books related to the bible. my views regarding traditional church history are constantly changing as i uncover more heretical and conspiratorial plots to subvert and pervert Jesus' original messages. what i know of gnosticism mainly comes from my study of the occult, and luciferian doctrines; i dont doubt there is some truth among the gnostic scriptures, but i am hesitant to fully accept their authenticity, since Lucifer was present from the beginning and gives knowledge beneficial to his servants; ultimately it is an area i havent pursued as vigorously as others, so i dont yet have any real revelations to bring to the table unfortunately.. but as you all know, i dont exactly have a monopoly on the truth, so that should come as no suprise. what is your opinion?
as for the Dead Sea scrolls, i give an enormous amount of credibility to them, not only because they verify the accuracy of many of the early gospels, but other books found such as Enoch provide the pretext for the appearance of Jesus aswell as his second coming; and include much more indepth the events of Gen. 6 (the fallen angels and their original interference with Man). i consider the DSS to be invalubale, since they provide the context to prophecies which tradional Jews have seemingly missed or avoided, which are wholly relevant to the nature of prochecy and the coming judgement
what is your opinion though? i am always open to new information
HK- i am leaning towards the belief that Cain was the offspring of Lucifer, or Satan and Eve in the garden of Eden; and that Cains bloodline would become the ruling elite through the centuries, which currently make up the 13 bloodlines of the illuminati. whats interesting is that this concept is supported by Enoch, and Gen 6, as both speak of angelic beings interbreeding with man and creating the nephilim, or hyrib offspring, who were responsible for such reckless knowledge and wrath that God sent the deluge upon the ancient world to rid it of its influences. this is a controversial view no doubt, but it seems to fit well with the question of what exactly Moses is referring to as the "fruit of the knowledge of good and evil", since merely "eating" of it caused our fall from immoratility. now, i can refer you to some links which share this view and can go more in depth than i can presently, but i personally am still putting the peices of the puzzle together http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Cain+13+bloodlines+of+the+ill
uminati+&btnG=Search
ill tell you... the line of reseach im pursuing now envolves America, Mystery Babylon, and the apostate church of the end times which endorses and supports a false image of Christ, or the antiChrist. i was discussing this last night with my mother, and it seems to me that the nation of Israel that exists today is the zionist(false) Israel, which will fall(along with Babylon) for and support the antiChrist and his diception, and will persecute the true followers of Jesus' during the tribulation. i believe America and Israel became bedfellows for this very reason; America, founded by luciferian societies, becomes Babylon, which gives rise to the system of the beast, a world economy/religion/government following this final war(ww3/gog/magog), of which the antiChrist rises out of to sign a treaty ensuring Israels safety for 7 years( which is broken 3 1/2 years later). and theres more, but this is becoming longer then i had hoped..i wish i could have answered your questions better, but as i said i am still learning; what i key in on is the occult NWO/conspiracy, which i believe are the Jews of the synogogue of Satan, actively fullfilling the fruition of the kingdom of antiChrist, and the subsequent data which falls in line with this premise (that is my "secret"..nothing more)
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Anti -
There are a few things you post to which I say in complete sincerity - AMEN!
Along with Signy, I find an appalling absence of the teachings of Christ among so-called Christians. As I heard it put, their religion is the religion ABOUT Christ - the blessed baby, the righteous vindictive king of heaven and earth; rather than the religion OF Christ - the practice of love, forgiveness, humility, peace. (Except for that 'faith' thing by which I was terrorized as a very young child, the church I was brought up in stressed good things like love, acceptance, humility, generosity. And it preached against greed, anger, hate, vengeance, pride, etc.)
Then you say things that make you sound like a religious PN. That's where you lose me. Plus your circular reasoning is pretty circular! The Bible is the word of god! That's why I trust it. How do you know it's the word of god?? Well, it says so, here in the Bible! :crossed eyes: hunhhh ?
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Rue brother- ill agree, i argue within a fair degree of circular logic; i just feel it is an unfortunate neccessity to interpreting anything regarding the bible. ill be perfectly honost, there is a part of me, which grows continuously through my research, that says "if God does exist, then maybe by some miracle we were allowed to recieve a version of his word that was sufficient to grasp the collective message which is presented in the bible". just as an example, the Adam Weishops Illuminati was officially exposed when a rider, delivering a kind of manifesto, was struck by lightening, a freak incident, and the documents were uncovered by officials; what are the odds this would happen? but how neccessary was to uncovering the plot to create a NWO? its kind of an anecdotel example..but thats how i feel about the version of the Bible that we recieved. i fully understand that faith plays an enormous role in this concept, but if the bible, as we all know it, were false, or crucially skewed, what chance would we have had throughout history to recognize Gods profound truths and prophetic enlightenments? after all, the purpose of Gods covenant with Abraham was to re-introduce the belief in an all powerful creator God...if this message was never recieved, how could God expect us to decipher the reality of our existence? that aside, i find that the Bible in its current form is sufficient in exposing what i consider to be the true conspiracy, which is lucifers diception through heretical concepts to introduce his rule over Man and earth. not that i dont believe other books are worthy of study, but the bible for practical reasons couldnt hold all 500 associated books and scriptures. ill also acknowledge that im kind of an extremist like PN(whom i havent seen around in awhile?)..but i hope in a good way, if at all possible
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Quote:Huh... How to begin? Has it ever occurred to you that the Bible might not just be a wee bit tweaked but completely false at it's core? That everything you THINK you know... about God, the Bible, Lucifer.... is completely and ruinously wrong?
if the bible, as we all know it, were false, or crucially skewed, what chance would we have had throughout history to recognize Gods profound truths and prophetic enlightenments?
How does one demonstrate that the Bible refers to anything consequential at all? Maybe this particular book at best describes the peculiar beliefs of a bunch of goatherders. Maybe God's a "she". Maybe there are more than one. Maybe they're mean, jealous, and abritrary and can only be placated by lots and lots of blood. Maybe there is none at all.
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