Male and Female Imponderables--The way of the wise

POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 8, 2006 13:04
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WHITEFALL

Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:48 PM

Dang BSC, that's awful. Not for anything direct, like you said, but that's... all I can say is, it's sad. People should know themselves better than that, imo.

Stupid love, has to be so hit n' miss.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

SERYN

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:28 PM

I have to disagree with some of you. On occaision, love does indeed suck, and suck big time.

I did spend ten minutes typing out the reasons that i think love is not all that great, but i read it back, it was overlong, whiny sounding and ultimetly pointless.

basically, in past relationships i've been mistreated, ignored, used and had my head well and truly messed with, but i'd rather cope with them than with love.
And as for having loved and lost - i'm sure it works for grand storybook romances, but not real life, better to not know what your missing unless you've a chance to experience a little of the good along with the bad. And how often does that happen?

so you can have song lyrics instead.

'Sex and love are not a game,
a game is something you can win,
maybe something kind of fun,
love is just a bloodsport.'

(very funky song, by the sneakerpimps - wasn't exactly what i was trying to say, but it was the only quote i could remember off the top of my head!)

I sound very vitriolic, but i have sore seized up shoulders from sewing - i'd almost agree to a neck rub they're that sore, so its making me grumpy.

grrr!

TEACHDAIRE

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:21 AM

If you're going to get into song lyrics, here's a good idea of what I'm on about...

Your cruel device
Your blood, like ice
One look could kill
My pain, your thrill

I want to love you but I better not touch (Don't touch)
I want to hold you but my senses tell me to stop
I want to kiss you but I want it too much (Too much)
I want to taste you but your lips are venomous poison
You're poison running through my veins
You're poison, I don't want to break these chains

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For every battle honour, a thousand heroes die along, unremembered and unsung...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:41 AM

Again, just dropping in. Gonna try and catch up in a sec.

SERYN

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:48 AM

hello NVG! I think we were basically dicussing love - does it suck or is it all you need?

and is it better to have loved and lost?

basically, a nice little positive discussion on that fabulous emotion that more often than not makes you feel like some psycho five year old has ripped out your heart thrown it in the biggest muddiest puddle it could find then taken great delight in jumping up and down on it for all its worth.

that little outburst should give you some small indication of which side of the debate i'm on.

and more recentlyly i think its developing on to a 'find the most appropriate song lyrics you can' competition.

Have fun dearie!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Sunday, August 6, 2006 1:00 AM

Love sucks only if you let it. I guess.
Most of the negative things were from women who probably didn't care a whole lot anyways so it really doesn't hurt much here down the road.

Appropriate song lyrics.

I try to make you love me
You try to find a spark
But the falme that burned
Has somehow turned
To smoke rings in the dark

-Gary Allan

Love y'all. 'Night.

TRISTAN

Sunday, August 6, 2006 2:18 AM

TD, great choice of lyrics to sum up your philosophy. I am also a fan of Alice Cooper.

Just popping back in to say hello. 2nd Browncoat almost finished...wife's skirt-done...time for dinner.

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ODDSBODSKINS

Sunday, August 6, 2006 4:07 AM

Well, before i start, just to say, apologies to all, this is likely to be an unwarranted rant, and i really don't know any of you well enough to feel justified in imposing so. However, what i'm really after is an outside, unbiased opinion, and you all seem more then capable of intelligent, calm opinions, so hopefully it's the right crowd. So to speak.

So, the story runs: i've been at a club with some mates, as they're closing up and asking people to leave, a lass catches my arm and asks me to take her to bed, straight up. my automatic response is to say that that's very flattering, but she was really quite drunk and i would feel i was taking advantage (some scene setting here, i'm a lonely guy, in spite of my high opinion of my looks and persona, i've been single and looking for someone to share my life with for the last two years, not to mention, bordering on clinically sexually frustrated at this juncture) regardless, she kinda latched on, and said she felt terribly guilty since I'd said that, and a conversation caried on in this theme, she was saying she really just wanted to meet someone on her wavelength, I was bantering as per, me being me. The impression i got as that she was really quite lonely, and was looking for a way out of that more then anything else. So I was, I admit, tempted, so to speak. However, she stopped on the way out of the club to speak to a friend, i wandered on, my intention was to wait just outside, then stroll over and ask if she was still interested in having that wavelength tuesday, with champagne and cake. Was about to do just this when the mates I was with called me over, made my excuses and wandered after her, but she had latched onto another bloke and before I could catch up they'd run off a fair distance.

my querie's, the points i'm interested in opinions on, are A: in the first place, was i honourable or cowardly? At the end of the day she was determined and forthright in what she was after, and she seemed exactly my type (aside from being very drunk, she was polite, well-spoken and well dressed, beside the obvious, she didn't seem slutty in the slightest, and she gave the impression of being free-spirited and opinionated) so, was i being honourable, or was i chickening out of what could have been a good thing for both myself and her.

and secondly, by backing down, and not following to still ask if she was interested in that tuesday. was i abandoning her to whatever may be (probably nothing worse then crap drunken sex and an awkward morning after, but still) or was i, as i'm inclined to believe, doing no more then exemplifying the cowardice i'm coming more and more to see in myself.

anyway, a long-winded ramble which only mentions about half of what's meandering through my head, but all i feel like putting into typ. opinions would be welcome, because i really could use a point of view which is unbiased.

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, August 6, 2006 4:15 AM

Sorry, I can't be very unbiased on the subject of acting like a drunken slut; I think it's disgusting. I think you were quite honorable to say you didn't want to take advantage, smart to consider asking for something a little more pleasant, and lucky that you didn't end up trying to date a drunken slut. Just because she didn't seem slutty, she acted completely slutty. And that's terrible. Maybe you should have asked if she was interested in a wavelength a little later, but I doubt she would have said yes, or remembered she said yes, or given you a real phone number or whatever else. I feel your frustration, but I've never thought a cheap and trite roll in the hay was a way to solve anything. It would probably be more likely to increase the actual underlying frustration than actually help anything.
I think you did the right thing, and she obviously didn't care that you were acting like you gave a damn. That's her being stupid, not you.

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ODDSBODSKINS

Sunday, August 6, 2006 4:22 AM

except that it was me who wandered on without saying a word, because of my fondess for the appropriate dramatic moment, i'm a sucker for trying to go with that kinda thing.

as for being a drunken slut, i honestly feel she was more lonely then anything else, because right now that's a frustration i can really identify with.

sorry, i asked for opinions and here i'm slating them, just trying to get a little more exposition (selfish i know, c'est la vie)

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