any anime fans?
POSTED BY: Dorothea
UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 13:12
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"Not really a big fan. I hear they use coffee. Kind of freakish when you........"
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Hell's Kitten:
Wow, you're more patient than I am. I watched up to the episode when that bounto lady was killed by their leader (~70 maybe?) but stopped after that. I was planning troll message boards every once in a while to figure out when they were following the manga again.
BTW, did you know about the Bleach Musicals (there is one that is touring Japan this summer and I'm pretty sure that it's different from the one that was done last summer)? I hadn't until I saw a poster for it last week. I don't think that I would understand any of it but I might go anyways; just for the WTF factor. Haven't figured out how much tickets are yet, though.
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Hiya, Dorothea -
While I respect your opinion of Bleach, I don’t share it. And I really don't understand it; I guess you caught me off guard, which has resulting in my rambling...
I’ve thought about it, but I just can’t see where you find it “sexist,” especially considering that the female characters are some of the strongest and most powerful (in mind, body, and spirit) of all the characters in the series. Unohana, Yoruichi, Soi Fong, Rukia, Nanao, Orihime, Tatsuki, Matsumoto... hell, even Yachiru and Ururu are superior to a lot of the male characters. (forgive spelling errors) Only a few of those are drawn with... exaggerated... endowments, but there’s still a decent range (and going to the other extreme of drawing all strong women with flat chests brings about another equally annoying stereotype). Also I don’t recall, on the whole, any of them being used, treated or shown in a sexist manner. Kurotsuchi’s “daughter” Nemo is the only one I can think of that’s treated as a subservient thing, but Mayuri’s not a terribly nice (sane) guy in the first place.
Anyways.
What am I not seeing?
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Goat!
Patient, yes. I find I have a greater threshold for patience when the thing for which I am being patient doesn’t really cost me anything. 
But, yeah, the whole “Bount” thing is a bit annoying... and hopefully coming to a close.
Regarding the manga vs. anime – I am by no means an expert in the subject, but I have to imagine that it would be difficult to create the anime in “real time” along side the manga. I get the feeling that the anime’s departure from the manga is needed to allow the current manga arc to progress to a point where they could start the anime production, and the manga wouldn’t be passed up by the anime. If that makes any kind of sense.
And for Bleach: the Rock Musical, I heard there was a second tour planned, but I’m not sure that it’s different from the original. (?) Regardless, I’d love to see it live. I’ve even seen most of it on vid... and... I must say, I’m speechless... and I don’t know if that’s good or bad. The WTF-factor is immense. My Japanese language skills are basically non-existent, so aside from a few words or phrases here and there, the only clue I had to what was going on was the actions. Hee. Thinking about it makes me laugh. I wish I could find a version with English subs. If you do go, do me a favour and buy the program and photos of Urahara for me 
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All right, Anime. Yes I am a fan. My brothers are bigger fans. I'll mention a few here.
Generator Gawl- only about 14 eps but still a good show
El Hazard: The Magnificent World- I've never seen The Wnaderers and the "squel" to magnificent world sucks
Scorcerer Hunters - also an excelent manga.
I also like Outlaw Star and Cowboy Beebop.
Someone mentioned Hellsing earlier. I think that is a good show untill it gets ahead of the manga and starts making up a story of its own. Then it just gets wierd. I am eagerly awaiting the new version that is being made.
Escaflowne is an interesting thing to explore. The show, the movie, and both manga are all good but very different. They all have the same starting point and most of the same characters but totally different stories.
And since someone mentioned otaku, there is a funny anime out there about otaku. It's called Genshiken. It also has kind of an anime within an anime. I don't remember what it's called but it's the show the characters are obssesed with. There are even a few eps of this imaginary show included on the DVDs.
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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.
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Hiya Hell's Kitten,
Nah you're right that it's not blatant, and a lot of people would probably disagree with my interpretation. So I'm not saying "this is how it is" or anything. I'll give a few examples though of the sort of stuff that nettles me...
(spoilers here)
For example--the one and only hollow Inoue kills in the entire show (when her powers are first awakened) is also the only hollow in hte show to have a female voice. To me, that means that the show creators can't believe Inoue could ever defeat a *male* hollow.
Then Yoruichi and Soi Fong are strong, but the fact that they were paired against each other again annoys me. It seems too coincidental. To me, it's again separating hte female fighters from the male fighters, like even though they keep trying to emphasize how strong Yoruichi is, they didn't want her fighting a male captain. What's more, her fight with Soi Fong isn't a real fight. In my opinion, because they're female, the maker glosses over most of the fighting, goes into a deep sad drama about their past relationship, and closes the fight with Soi Fong, who was supposedly so tough, on the ground sobbing because her friend abandoned her. None of hte male fights ends with anyone crying....
More about Soi Fong--I personally think that her bankai is pretty lame. They didn't want to waste a cool one on her. Also, the only other captain who's a woman doesn't even have a combative bankai. She's just the stereotypical healer woman. There are a lot of female vice captains, but you've got hte orange-haired woman, who's sort of gorgeous comic relief, or that evil captain's abused robot-girl whom Ishida rescues, or hte *cool beauty* of that captian in the pink robe--she hyperventilates and faints when her captain's going to fight old man Genryuusai. Oh or Kenpachi's little girl vice captain who's just a cute oddity and more comic relief. You don't have any female vice captains like Renji or the bald guy who seem to engage in *real* fighting. (don't read this next sentence is you dislike spoilers and haven't been following the most recent manga scanlaitons): There are THAT many female vice captains, yet Renji and the bald guy are the only ones who get thier bankais and really fight...
As for Rukia, I'm tired of the formula where you've got some girl with supernatural powers in the first ep who mysteriously loses them to a man. I went with it for a while, but gradually it just started getting on my nerves. Oh and even though Rukia is supposedly so much stronger than Renji from that flashback when they were kids, Renji could flatten her now (imo).
Well there are other things that bug me, but those are some examples. Of course not everyone would agree with me, that's just how I'm taking these things. In general, somehow I feel like Bleach is tryng to fool me--it's got all these female characters it tries to make look strong to please the female viewers, but somehow, they're just kept fundamentally separate from the male world.
Oh--and there was that volume with all the Bleach men (Ichigo, Byakuya, etc.) lined up, with thier weapons out and their muscles all showing, looking so determined, and on the next page there were all the the Bleach women (Inouei, Soi Fong, Yoruichi, etc.) on the next page just wearing bikinis. That wouldn't bother me under different circumstances, but somehow, together with the other stuff i've mentioned, it just irritates me.
Anyway, so that's where I'm coming from.
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Has anyone followed Gilgamesh or Gunslinger Girl?
Might try again with Gilgamesh, but I lost interest for some unknown reason.
Was Gunslinger Girl just a short lived/limited series? At the end of the second? disc when all the remaining girls are watching the meteor shower humming (Beethovens Fifth symphony?) really started some waterworks for me. Don't really know why, it just did.
I can be such a chick sometimes.
"...And them chains them chains
Their 'bout to drag me down"
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I watched both Gunslinger Girls and Gilgamesh. I really disliked Gilgamesh...I thought that music was horrible, the art was ugly, and the plot just wouldn't progress. And I detesed the Countess. But bizarrely--I cried at the end! It wasn't the show though. It was the Beethoven in the background. Anyway, I recommend the second movement of Beethoven's Piano Concerto Opus 5 ("Emperor"), but not Gilgamesh... Funny though, about the Beethoven in both shows...
Gunslinger Girls I liked though. I watched it a several ago...can't remember if I cried or not...
What other shows are you watching? Last night I finished Princess Princess. It's totally the sort of show I usually hate and drop after the first ep, but it was absolutely hysterical. Anyone watching Ergo Proxy or Utawarerumono? I've been enjoying them, so far.
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Due to the limits of the local video store collections I have problems finding anything new. May continue with Witch Hunter Robin or Wolf's Rain soon. Really want to finish Elfen Lied, but not out of order (Chuck, my local anime pusher, may have a replacement third disc soon). May get the seventh disc of Samurai Seven tonight. Just afraid of the end. I hate the end of good series (hence my love/hate relationship with Firefly). Might have to try Princess Princess, I think he has it.
"...And them chains them chains
Their 'bout to drag me down"
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NV, you might want to try renting movies through Netflix. While there isn't the instant gratification of going to the movie store, you do have a wider selection of movies to choose from, especially anime. Well worth the cashy money.
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