Male and Female Imponderables - Not for the Faint of Heart
POSTED BY: PhoenixRose
UPDATED: Monday, July 17, 2006 21:53
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Y'see, the people you just described i'd call more 'equalist' fiminism to my mind is the promotion of females as better than males, when they're not, they're just different. I'm the 'all people are created equal' school. gender race etc all have bugger all to do with it.
I think its deplorable that women are still being payed less on average, and that they are still in a much weaker postition than men in most societies in the world.
I think the 'feminism im offended by is those women who spend endless hours moaning on about sexual suppression and womens bits meaning they are goddesses blah blah blah meh. (in a totalyy different way to PR's personal 'i like to be treated like a goddess' thing) And their constant carping and bitching, and downright browbeating of men. I also hate it when some women blindly insist that a woman can do anything a man can. they can't (and here i'm talking physically) some women can do the same things as men, but not all, not automatically. each has their own set of skills and natural aptitudes, and thats a good thing. so it annoys me when you see people who plainly can't do a job, insisting that they can because they're trying to prove a point. And i absolutely, absolutely HATE 'positive discrimination' - where two people of almost equal merit, even if the white male has the edge, the minority/female person gets ahead. That is unjust. It should be on pure merit, and if two people are equal, then they should be re-examined. Dress it up any way, its still discrimination.
ooooh, ranting.
ok, i think i'm personally equalist and practical. My opinion of feminists is shaped by the warped extreme variety.
or maybe its just because i detest Germain Greer (i met her once. bleh.)
Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
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So, instead of adding to my already long post, I will committ the sin of double posting. With any luck, by the time I hit "Post My Response" there will be at least one post between mine. 
While not utterly girly in appearance, by reading some of these other posts, I am much girly than many of you. I'm all about the chick flick, I probably own most decent romantic comedies, and some that aren't decent. I'm wearing pink today and do so often. I like fashion, I like clothes, I like reading celeb rags (but never buy them), InStyle is my fav magazine. I wouldn't call myself domesticated in that while I CAN cook, I don't and 'tending house' leaves me cold. I do love interior decorating, though. I love putting together colors, patterns, fabrics and shapes. I'm not a big fan of kids...they're fine in short bursts, but I don't want any of my own.
So, that's me. The not-really-girly-but-still-kinda-girly-girl. 
In regards to feminism: Equal pay and equal jobs is top for me. From there, I think women should get to decide how they define being a woman for themselves. No movement should make a housewife feel inferior because she wants to stay at home and take care of her husband and kids. Likewise, no housewife should make a career woman feel guilty about not wanting children or for not giving up a career in order to have them. Different strokes, you know?
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awww Tristan, thats sweet, but please don't say any more - your wife is armed and dangerous.
Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
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Extremists are a bane to anything. Naomi Wolff is oh-so-slappable, too, isn't she? You've nailed my thoughts on it. It's a perfectly valid viewpoint that has been hijacked by loons and is now a dirty word. You cannot say that you are a feminist even if you are, because of the label and the implications.
Anyhoo, it's late here, so I am signing off until tomorrow. The boss is out of work all day, and leaves his broadband connection up without a password. Bless.
Sleep well or have a nice day depending on your timezones, 'Coats.
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Vicodin, cyclobenzaprine...add a five-day steroid treatment and two epidurals and y'all have described a back problem I recently disposed of!
Seryn, I like your stance on the equality thing, and agree with you. It's just nice to hear a female say those things first.
Oh, and again, my wife is mostly harmless and encourages flirting. So, all is well.
I do think extremists in any cause make that cause something to reconsider. All things in moderation usually works better, but there is always the "fringers" that scream from the street corners...release the Reavers!
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And so this thread doesn't go bonkers overnight, I'll go ahead and start a new one...be right back!
New digs:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22364
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AAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're just too quick bud. I totally saw that one coming. Is there any wonder TRISTAN is on my list of hero's.
Sleeping. I sleep on the floor (too damn hot for a bed) and feel more refreshed than when I do sleep on a bed. Not alot of folks these days consider sleeping on the floor.
Anyone else perfect the standing nap?
RUGBUG- I too am not a fan of pillow tops. My prejudice is the fact an old roomate of mine was constantly moving her room around and couldn't move the damn thing. Hope thing get better for you. Can't imagine trying to sleep with a bad limb.
"Better dead and cool
Than alive and uncool."
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yes, exactly, you've got my feelings, but i'm happy to assign my own words to things. (now, i wonder why i'm always getting into so much trouble?)
Oh! SBDB! did you see the Top Gear where they got the caravan and attempted to go on a camping holiday? Oh, priceless, i almost died laughing. that was unbelievable.
honestly, i haven't laughed that much for an eon, i was shaking by the end of it. It had to be scripted, but i don't care.
(Mind you with Mr Lord of the Braniacs Hammond in the car, you kind of new it was all up for the caravan)
oh, never was a regular Top Gear watcher, but i am now.
Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
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Seryn, I agree with you on the feminism front. I think the equality of feminism means that a woman should be able to *pursue* any career or lifestyle she wants, and shouldn't be told she can't do something just because she's a woman. However, I don't think that means that women should be *given* jobs just because they are women. There are some women who can work construction or other male-dominated, physically taxing jobs and keep up with men, but feminism doesn't (or at least, shouldn't, IMO) mean that a woman *must* be given a job in construction if she isn't qualified.
The other thing about the popular feminist stance (not saying it's true feminism, but just how some people construe it) that really bothers me is the idea "As a woman you can do anything you want to do -- except be a mother." I've seen a lot of women trample on the idea of *choosing* to be a mother, and that bugs the hell out of me. I may never have children, but if I do or if I don't is my *choice*. My brother and his fiancée are planning on starting their family soon after they get married, and that's fine. No one is forcing my soon-to-be sister-in-law to have children, and I respect the choices she's making with my brother. In Western countries, in the age when the vast majority of marriages are not arranged, and when the vast majority of women have access to birth control, I detest the stance that choosing to become a mother is somehow letting a man have dominion over your body.
Hmm, don't want to turn this into too much of a RWD topic, but feminism is an Imponderable, no?
~CK
You can't take the sky from me...
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I can sleep sitting bolt upright in the back of a car.
i'm like a baby, stick me in a car and i drift right off.
Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt
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