A Star Trek retrospect: The original cast movies

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 16:01
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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:53 PM

Sadly, and I really blame Joss for this, the movies haven't fared the trip through time very well in my book.

The first one remains golden to me; it did not pander, and was a serious science-fiction movie.

The second suffered from two things: Khan's (and Kirk's, to a lesser degree) bad eighties BIG hair, and the happy happy that was tacked on to what should have been a VERY somber ending. How Hollywood. How phoney.

The third was slow, and gave us a chump fight between Kirk and Krudge. And a death (Kirks's son, you Klingon bastard!) that I saw coming a mile away.

The fourth was fun, but so silly at times it was almost beneath us fans. Re-tread of V'Ger. Meh.

The fifth had Spock doing Superman (so bad, the FX), and a brother from another planet (!), and the wool pulled so far down over Kirk's eyes it was embarrasing ("What does God want with a spaceship?"). Not logical.

The sixth and final went out on a somewhat higher note. Yeah, I had many problems with it (How does a phaser disintegrate a pot, but not the mashed potatoes in it?), but overall it was good.

So there, am I being too harsh?
Blame Firefly, it set the bar a mite higher than it has ever been before.

Get a piece of MY action Chrisisall

EMBERS

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:03 PM

well I blamed William Shatner for thinking that a girdle and a wig could make him look anything but ridiculous on the big screen (which hides nothing, particulary when you can see that the stunt man climbing the cliff is at least 30 years younger than the actor in the close up!)
I really felt he should have been willing to play his age:
he is brilliant in 'Boston Legal' because he seems to be actually playing older than his age, which he can do without looking like a fool.

I thought that some of the Original Cast movies were fun, but it just got too weird, without introducing any really good young characters (what is that about?)

Joss has spoiled us. I have confidence that in 20 - 30 years (I hope I'm alive to see it) Joss can write reunions of Buffy and/or Firefly and let the actors play their true age, with brilliantly interesting stories which will also introduce more (and younger) characters to the verse that we will love....

But then, it helps that the creator isn't just a vain actor

NANITE1018

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:04 PM

NANITE1018

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:14 PM

I think the first one was by far the most SF of any of 'em. I liked the second one except Spock's death makes me cry. It's so terrible and heart-wrenching. The third was okay, major thing being it brought back Spock. The fourth was good, funny and yet at the same time true to what the people would actually do in that type of situation. The fifth was not so good because i didn't really like the plot that much, you know? Simply didn't get my attention, problems with the whole idea and everything. Sixth was really good, best probably since the second.

And i must say that Serenity is as good as the best Star Trek movie, if not a little better. Idk, i have split loyaties. I am a Trekkie, was a Trekkie first, and will always love Star Trek and that whole universe and everything. Then there's Firefly which i must say is ruttin' amazing. But i can't say it's better than Star Trek because Star Trek is so close to my heart. So in general i say that for me, they are kind of two entirely different things, you know? Sure, Firefly was SF but it was so massively different than Star Trek that you really can't compare them.

I love both too much to say that one is better than the other! I've seen Star Trek so many times that i know everything, although i'll watch when it's on. And Firefly is new to me, just as Star Trek was five years ago. I'll always love 'em both.

Actually, i hadn't really watched those old Star Trek movies in a long time, I think i'm going to re-watch them again. This post has reignited the Trekkie in me!

Yay! for Trekkie-Browncoats!

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The fifth had Spock doing Superman (so bad, the FX), and a brother from another planet (!), and the wool pulled so far down over Kirk's eyes it was embarrasing ("What does God want with a spaceship?"). Not logical.

Well, in Kirk's defense, he was being kinda mind-controlled by Sybok.

Doesn't excuse the rest of it though.

The concept needs a revisit, preferably with Q (as the "Charlie X" and "Squire of Gothos" stories were retconned into the saga of our favourite Trickster). Perhaps STV's "God" was actually a renegade Q --a former mortal, gifted with the Continuum's powers (as Q tried to do to Riker once), but driven insane. So dangerous and unpredictable that he was locked away, barred not only from the Continuum, but from this universe as well, until Sybok unwittingly broke into the asylum. . .

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:56 PM

As a first run watcher of the shows and lifetime watcher of all the reruns - I loved the movies, no matter how 80's and how badly done - I was happy to have them.

STILLSHINY

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:02 PM

To be honest, you watch Trek movies for the Characters, the wit & dialogue between them. The story is so secondary. That's why they are fun to watch, but that's about it. There is nothing in the way of the incredible storytelling you get from Joss.

I mean honest, what was the last movie (besides) Serenity you went to see for the sake of the story & NOT the characters.

This is why sequels do so well. Pirate's II for example. I was not impressed by the storytelling, but I love the characters, heck I've been one of the characters.

That's the only real reason we watched that piece of gose called Episode III. It was fluff & lame story, in fact most of us already knew the story, but we hoped the "characters" would carry us through. We were let down. nooooooooooooo! (shiver)

But with Trek you were never let down in the Characters, these actors had perfected these characters and as long as they continued to portray the characters, we'd continue to watch. I mean really "Capn' there be whales here." It was far-fetched but it was all about the crew of the Enterprise.

The same could happen with the same BDH's. Although I doubt they would set foot in a verse that did not have Joss's hands in it.

Ultimately, Joss is essential to Firefly & Serenity. Roddenberry to Trek, not quite so much. & Lucas should have taken a hint & left well enough alone.

Wow do I ramble.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Perhaps STV's "God" was actually a renegade Q --a former mortal, gifted with the Continuum's powers (as Q tried to do to Riker once), but driven insane. So dangerous and unpredictable that he was locked away, barred not only from the Continuum, but from this universe as well, until Sybok unwittingly broke into the asylum. . .

Good theory!
Y'know, I've always had a sneaking admiration for V, it was fairly original for what it was, and competantly directed.
Plus Jerry Goldsmith music!!!

Live long, and hover Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:52 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
As a first run watcher of the shows

First run? Yeah right, were you counting in the womb for that?
I saw my first- first run episode when I was six!
Can you say that, FMF?

Time-traveler Chrisisall

EMBERS

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

I saw my first- first run episode when I was six!
Can you say that,

such youngins we got here...
I saw the original series when I was in High School

and reruns in college

However I didn't ever see it in color until after I was married.

And I saw all the movies in the theaters when they were first released.

this is why I have faith in Firefly/Serenity getting sequels and even an eventual return to TV, it may take 10 years or more, but Joss is young, he has time....

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