Slash fics.. Blah..

POSTED BY: thekidflash
UPDATED: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:20
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SAMEERTIA

Friday, June 9, 2006 3:48 AM

I'm not pissed off. Yet.
And I'm not speaking just for myself. I'm well aware that your comments were general, and aimed at slash-writers in general.

I've been writing slash on the net for over ten years now (MY GOD!), and my skin is pretty thick.

It's just that when I see someone bashing slash fanfic writers for writing slash fanfic, I have to wonder why there is a need to do that?

I mean, I'm not out there bashing every mary-sue writer, just because I can't stand mary-sues. (Although if you want a BRILLIANT Tolkien fanfic that is a blatant Mary-Sue, but so well written that it doesn't matter, check out Rana1's "Tale of Marian" at www.fanfiction.net.)

In fact, check it out anyway. It's beautiful!
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1496389/1/

My point is, I think we all want to be better writers, so I can wade through any number of poor grammar stories, badly spelled disasters, plot-hole laden pain-fests, and still leave a review at the end that can be NICE, gentle, help point the author in a direction that might make the story better and improve them as writers.

But just slamming authors because they write something that you don't enjoy reading? Where does that get fun?

I do write original fiction. I even write original erotica. But you don't get to read THAT online for free. When it gets published, then I'll go public with it.

Don't assume that just because we publish fun fanfiction on the Internet that we don't also have original works. You can't BE a writer without writing original works. It just doesn't happen.

:)

THEKIDFLASH

Friday, June 9, 2006 4:28 AM

in my world there's a fine line between bashing and venting.

My aim was to Vent and I sincearly aplogize if I went and crossed the line.

Point is I'm not ignorant, just kinda wanted to voice my feelin's about slash for this particular series.

Feels a bit wrong. No harm done I hope though.

SAMEERTIA

Friday, June 9, 2006 4:40 AM

No harm done, TheKidFlash.
It was mostly Cesare's comment about 'instead of writing bad slash-fic' that set me off.
I think you were just saying that you didn't like it, and that's fine.

Everyone likes something different, or we wouldn't be people.

EMBERS

Friday, June 9, 2006 5:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by thekidflash:
Quote:
Originally posted by Cesare:
Got to say I quite dislike (almost detest) slash-fic in general.
I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals or lesbians in any way.
I like fanfic that respects the "canon" - and if it challenges it, it does so in an original or at least intelligent way. Slash is not original...

..thank you. Exactly. you said what I couldn't!

It's basically what I was trying to say, I tend to write alot of off the wall stuff when I do write but it's allways based on canon in some way or another.

I just tend to think sex is overrated and cheap entertainment as is. There's alot more that people can write about.

I just want to add one more POV to the discussion...
it may be true that Tolkein is spinning in his grave,
and JKR has made it clear that she doesn't appreciate the 'alternative pairings' to her canon story....
BUT if you are talking about Joss Whedon then don't be so sure you have any idea what 'canon' is.

In this Whedonesque thread:
http://whedonesque.com/comments/9323
You can read down and find the following post made by Joss himself:

Quote:
Honestly, what's most fascinating is that every post here tells me more about the poster than about the subject matter. That's what makes fiction grand. I will say a few things:

1)When I called James "the best ingenue Angel ever had" I merely meant that there was enormous acting chemistry between them. After throwing different actresses up against David (sometimes literally) it was gratifying to find someone who brought out passion in David's performance that I'd never seen. I mean, look at Caveman vs Astronauts, for god's sake! David is off the charts hilarious. I learned early on to film those two in one-ers instead of regular coverage because their energy just kept increasing. Others have misinterpreted that quote before.

2)What may or may not have happened is entirely up to the viewer, that's what makes it art. Having said that, I know EXACTLY what happened and it's funny that I'm never going to tell anyone. But did no one see the obvious smoldering passion between the Blue Hand guys? MAN, did you guys miss the boat.

3)In my world, heroes bugger each other senseless. Not all of them, but more than you'd think, and probably not who you're thinking. But seriously, Anybody here care to tell Apollo and the Midnighter how a hero should behave? To their faces?

joss | January 20, 19:00 CET

so as far as you know, the slash fan fic is as much canon as any other pairing....
just sayin'

KANEMAN

Friday, June 9, 2006 6:03 AM

If someone likes slash-fic fine...It should be labeled...But, I will never see the sense in taking characters that are straight and making them gay...Why? If Joss wanted Mal to be gay he would have wrote it. For the most part a true fan-fic doesn't totally change the character of a role.(yes sexuality is a major component of character). Why do it? Is it a political statement?

Just wondering...Please don't say artistic freedom.

EMBERS

Friday, June 9, 2006 6:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
If Joss wanted Mal to be gay he would have wrote it. For the most part a true fan-fic doesn't totally change the character of a role.(yes sexuality is a major component of character).

and I repeat:
Joss NEVER ever said that Mal has never had a gay experience...
Joss has never gone into the details of his characters 'preferences' at all...
YOU assume Mal is straight, fine...
but that only says something about you, not about Mal.

I would ask you to read Joss' post (which I quoted above) again...
particularly where Joss himself said:

Quote:
3)In my world, heroes bugger each other senseless. Not all of them, but more than you'd think, and probably not who you're thinking.

BULLET1510

Friday, June 9, 2006 8:06 AM

Hi,

My two cents worth...

I have read some very good Firefly fanfic, they have been a mixture of gen, het and slash, in fact some of the most affecting for me emotionally have been ones involving *gasp* Mal and Jayne!!!

I believe that the worth of a piece of fiction - whether based on a totally original concept or based on an existing premise - is in the quality of the writing and not the slavish adhesion to a pre-determined set of pararimeters (if indeed they are as set as some seem to believe), after all we only saw 14 episodes of Firefly and Joss has clearly shown in his writings that same sex relationships are just as valid in his 'verses as hetro ones.

My motto is "Why limit yourself - when so many other people are willing to do it for you"

AGENTROUKA

Friday, June 9, 2006 8:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
If Joss wanted Mal to be gay he would have wrote it. For the most part a true fan-fic doesn't totally change the character of a role.(yes sexuality is a major component of character).

and I repeat:
Joss NEVER ever said that Mal has never had a gay experience...
Joss has never gone into the details of his characters 'preferences' at all...
YOU assume Mal is straight, fine...
but that only says something about you, not about Mal.

I would ask you to read Joss' post (which I quoted above) again...
particularly where Joss himself said:
Quote:
3)In my world, heroes bugger each other senseless. Not all of them, but more than you'd think, and probably not who you're thinking.

AMEN!

This whole "a rape of the character" thing... Well, anything that's not strictly the tv show itself is going to call on personal perception and interpretation (and yes, interest) from the fanfic writer to get anything written.

That means a whole lot of things are out there that some consider perfectly plausible and others horrible out of character, and there are few instances when things can be "proven" by canon either way, especially once you get to a level of writing where structure and grammar no longer play a role because it's technically very skilled.

To me, Mal having sex with a random male soldier in his War past is a LOT more likely than him ever touching Kaylee or Zoe or River that way, but there is an equal lack of canon support for either scenario, so... there's no official telling which is more wrong. Or not wrong at all.

It's a very fluid world out there. I am always confused why people get so uppity about slash but not about EVERYthing that is non-canon, especially if they argue from the stand-point of keeping the characters in character.

DEEPGIRL187

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:20 PM

Okay, I'll add my voice to this little melee:

While I don't read male slash (for Firefly), I also don't have a problem with people writing it. Slash may not be to everyone's liking, but hey, some people juggle geese, right? There are plenty of Firefly fan fic out there to read, so I think everyone's tastes can be satisfied if they look hard enough. And to be perfectly honest, I agree with Mal4Prez when it comes to slash; I'd rather have the boys to myself!

Oh, and glad you like the icons, Embers. Take a trip to photobucket.com to find some of your own shininess.

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SAMEERTIA

Friday, June 9, 2006 3:51 PM

Well, as for Mal being gay, it's certain that he ISN'T. However, he could be bisexual, easily. When Nandi asks him, he looks down at the gun, not directly at her, and says, "No..no I lean towards womenfolk."

I find the delivery of that line highly suspicious, especially knowing enough bi men who are ashamed of those 'other leanings'. But that's just me.

*shrug*
Like I said above, don't like? Don't read.

And you'll notice that while JK Rowling has said, "ooh, I wish you guys wouldn't do that! Harry and Draco? Are you insane?" She hasn't asked the authors to stop, not like Anne McCaffery, who has VERY strict rules for fanfiction in her worlds. (She used to not allow it all.) If JK came out and said, "Don't do this. I mean it." I'm sure authors would be just as respecting as we are for Mrs. McCaffery.

As for JRR, he is dead. He is long dead and has ceased to care in the slightest how we interpret his world. His family and estate have not come out and said, "Hey! No fanfic! Stop it!".

Of course, then we could just write in the movie-verse until P.J. and gang jump on us for THAT...but really, can we take the author of "Meet the Feebles" seriously if he tells us to stop writing slash centered around his movies? hmmmmmmmmm....

And how many people would have said Willow was entirely straight early on in Buffy?

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