Wonders of Ancient Knowledge

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PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:00 AM

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How about the Egyptian Pyramids, even with all of our technology today we still can't build one, and the pyramids are much older then orginally thought, if I'm correct 7,000 years older then originally thought.
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Actually we could build them with the technology of today. We don't really know how they did it (though there's been successful scale experiments) but I'd have to say they had whips.

Massive massive whips.

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which means that you can navigate by air using the pyramid.
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That doesn't mean that's why they built the pyramids or why they were laid out in the way they were.

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but about the science fiction, does anyone remember watching Aliens the movie with sigourney Weaver, and at the beginning she was talking on a phone that showed her picture to the other person they could see eachother , well that movie came out in like 1987 or 88 and I thought it was so cool, and now look we have cell phones with picture, back then that was science fiction, now its reality
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Aliens is one of my favourite films, but the video phone was hardly Science Fiction in the late 80's, more like science fact:
1956 - The first picture phone system is built as a test system by AT&T.
1964 - AT&T presents the Picturephone (or Mod1) at the World’s Fair, people line up to make a video call to Disneyland in Anaheim, California, where people also line up to call the World’s Fair. The first person to use the Picturephone is Herbert Hoover.
1970 - Toshiba develops the world's first colour video phone.

From everything i've heard we can't build them, not even with our current technology, perhaps I'm wrong it wouldn't be the 1rst time

my whole point about the phone in Aliens, is that it was thought of as science fiction, not that it couldn't be built it just all seemed futuristic but my point is, science fiction often times becomes reality. things like airplanes would have been science fiction a hundred or more years ago and now its reality.

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:32 AM

Hello,

I certainly don't want to get into arguments over whether or not ancient wonders were made by aliens. I'm worried that would polarize the contributors to this thread.

I will say this much. I think that we often sorely diminish human potential. In our modern age, we have been accustomed to seeing machines multiply the power of mankind (and horses) to such a degree that we have trouble imagining thousands of people spending tens of thousands of hours dedicated to a menial, back-breaking chore.

The truth, I have found, is often surprising. A dedicated man can accomplish amazing things if he is prepared to dedicate his life to a task. Imagine a dedicated army of men... a dedicated nation.

It wasn't so long ago that the fledgeling nation of the United States embarked on a series of amazing engineering projects. The Hoover Dam, for instance. Does anyone doubt that we could do it again? Does anyone doubt that we could do it in twice the time for ten times the money with our more modern machinery?

It is so hard for us to imagine legions of workers doing things the hard way, that it actually becomes easier to imagine a supreme agency performing amazing wonders. Aliens, Gods, whatever. It is so hard to imagine our ancestors, who we regard as primitive, to be intelligent. We have trouble envisioning geniuses in our past.

Somehow people from 5,000 years ago are more alien to us than actual aliens, lending credence to the possibility of aliens, and not humans, as the creators of all that is wonderous in our pasts.

I am prepared to consider that alien influence may in fact have been present. But I also hope we can all consider that human beings are amazing creatures, especially when dedicated.

Chariots of the Gods? Perhaps. But please also consider Coral Castle, modern evidence of human cunning and veracity.

http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/coralCastle.htm

They say he did it for love. I can believe that.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CITIZEN

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by PirateJenny:
my whole point about the phone in Aliens, is that it was thought of as science fiction, not that it couldn't be built it just all seemed futuristic but my point is, science fiction often times becomes reality. things like airplanes would have been science fiction a hundred or more years ago and now its reality.

And mine was that sometimes things aren't Science Fiction, they're mundane, no matter what one may think

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

HERO

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM

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Hello,

I certainly don't want to get into arguments over whether or not ancient wonders were made by aliens.

There are those who believe that life here began out there far across the Universe with tribes of humans who may have been the fore fathers of the Egyptians or the Mayans or the Toltecs. They may have been the Architects of the Great Pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis....Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the Heavens..............

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STORYMARK

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by PirateJenny:
my whole point about the phone in Aliens, is that it was thought of as science fiction, not that it couldn't be built it just all seemed futuristic but my point is, science fiction often times becomes reality. things like airplanes would have been science fiction a hundred or more years ago and now its reality.
And mine was that sometimes things aren't Science Fiction, they're mundane, no matter what one may think .

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

Just because something exists does not make it mundane. Sure, the video-phone was invented long before it showed up in Aliens. But it certainly wasn't a widely-used piece of equipment back then. Come to think of it, last I checked, I didn't see a lot of real-time video phones being used today.

Computers existed when Star Trek first aired, but it was science fiction to think you could have one small enough to keep in your pocket.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ARCLIGHT

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:40 PM

"...he makes a compelling argument that the spread of Polynesians throughout the Pacific followed migratory bird paths."

What's really amazing about this is think of how fast them sumbitches had to paddling to keep up with a flock of flying birds

RUE

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:37 PM

"The truth, I have found, is often surprising. A dedicated man can accomplish amazing things if he is prepared to dedicate his life to a task. Imagine a dedicated army of men... a dedicated nation."

Cities have been found in Egypt where workers lived who built the pyramids. From what the researchers gathered, being picked to build a pyramid was considered a holy gift. The skeletons of those workers showed severe deformities from years of carrying heavy loads or being stooped over grinding blocks and obelisks out of the quarries. There is clear evidence they were built by mere men who were willing to sactifice their health and lives.

PS There is also no evidence they were built by slaves. Chemical and physical analysis of the bones showed the workers were well-nourished.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:54 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just because something exists does not make it mundane. Sure, the video-phone was invented long before it showed up in Aliens. But it certainly wasn't a widely-used piece of equipment back then. Come to think of it, last I checked, I didn't see a lot of real-time video phones being used today.

Plenty of stuff in Sci-Fi is mundane and everyday, but because it's on a spaceship people say 'wow'. The general point was, was that just because pyramids are big doesn't make their construction any less 'mundane' in the sense that there doesn't have to be Alien super beings levitating blocks of stone, all there has to be is a lot of people and some really big whips.

Video conferencing has been around for years, it's not a new thing and it wasn't new then. It was mundane in the sense it wasn't fantastical.

People don't generally use it because they can get along just fine without, it's every bit as mundane as a regular telephone, and most people don't use it because there's no point to it.

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Computers existed when Star Trek first aired, but it was science fiction to think you could have one small enough to keep in your pocket.

Star Trek didn't have computers you could keep in your pocket when it first aired. The Computer in the Original Series and indeed all series as far as I can see, is based on a main server system with dumb terminals. Pretty 1960's'ish that. The Science Fiction is merely in bestowing more processing power on the machines than currently possible, which is something done in just about every type of fiction that has a computer in it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:56 PM

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PS There is also no evidence they were built by slaves. Chemical and physical analysis of the bones showed the workers were well-nourished.

Pyramiders Beer...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:13 AM

Absolute favourite bit of ancient "technology":

Dogon astronomical knowledge
http://www.students.a.csbsju.edu/aeeversman/astronomy.htm
http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
http://www.litsote.com/Old-African-Astronomy-5007769.html

Then there's my own theory (pieced together from several sources, most of them off-line) about the Ark of the Covenant being an Atlantean power generator:

Dozens of mythologies suggest the existence of an ancient serpent-worshipping cult that was marginalized as "Evil" (the serpent in Eden, Apophis, Medusa & her sisters. . .). In almost all cases, this serpent-cult was associated with powerful and/or forbidden knowledge (The Tree of Knowledge, the asp and cobra as Pharaonic symbols, Medusa's association with the Aegis, worn by Athena --Goddess of Wisdom. . .).

Legends from civilizations surrounding the Atlantic ocean tell of refugees coming ashore from a lost, highly-advanced Pyramid-building civilization --one old enough to be the serpent-worshippers.

Plato references the Atlantis myth as coming via Egypt, famous for its pyramids.

No bodies or treasure have been found in the Temple of Cheops (archeologists write this off as looters), nor are there hieroglyphics inside the King's or Queen's chambers (archeologists tend to ignore this). The so-called "sarcophagus" is of inconsistent dimensions for standard Egyptian sarcophagi (Archeologists write this off as a mistake, ignoring the otherwise geometrically-perfect structure).

Moses defeated Pharaoh's wizards (literally "Wise Men" who turned their staffs into snakes, symbolically suggesting the ancient, Forbidden Knowledge) by defeating them at their own game (creating a bigger serpent [suggesting a stronger grasp of the Ancient Knowledge] which ate theirs [suggesting an absorbtion of their Knowledge, adding it to his own]).

After promising Moses safe passage (a good political out --to have washed his hands of the whole mess), Pharaoh sent his entire army after the Hebrew slaves. Almost as if he suddenly found out he'd been betrayed/robbed.

After escaping to Mt. Sinai and withdrawing "to speak to God," Moses commissioned the Ark of the Covenant (which would protect the Faithful from the dangerous powers of the Ark's contents), delivering some very specific dimensions --dimensions which match those of the "sarcophagus" in the Giza temple. He also delivered a very strict set of rituals and procedures --procedures that have been identified by modern experts as evocative of radiation/haz-mat procedures.

Psychic and Atlantis-expert Edgar Cayce reports visions of Atlanteans mining and using "power crystals," capable of generating large amounts of energy, but which had to be carefully contained. . .

(To think I studied all this for a fanfic. . .)

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