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Friday, May 26, 2006 7:09 PM

It's good to be tweaked.

Another thing about abortion: when it's illegal the poor suffer more because the wealthier people can find a decent doctor to perform it OR leave the country.

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Who doesn't think that there's a woman out there, somewhere (maybe you already know her) who would say ANYTHING if she knew that telling that lie would buy her access to a clean, safe, legal abortion, even if she knew damn well it could destroy someone else's life.


I would certainly go to the hospital and say I was raped. I don't know that I would actually name a person, but I would not be above lying about it. Want me to come up with some injuries to prove it? I'd be glad to come up with those as well.

This link includes info on how, why, and when abortion became illegal in the U.S. http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/history_abortion.html
I especially love the vigilante pro-lifers that blow up abortion clinics (there's a documentary I keep meaning to watch about this). Do they even realize that in doing such an act, they're killing the very thing they claim to protect? But I suppose the woman and the doctor don't matter because they are vile murderers.

The very same people who want to make abortion illegal again are, for the most part, trying to limit access to birth control. I think everyone can agree that abortion is never a GOOD thing and it's a difficult choice to make, there are usually psychological repercussions for a short time afterward, and that in a perfect world it wouldn't be viewed as simply a form of birth control (though I don't think many women have multiple abortions). If we lived in a perfect world, there would be comprehensive sex education, NOT merely reproductive biology. It's really good to know that when an egg and sperm meet, they fuse together and eventually turn into a zygote. However that knowledge doesn't stop it from happening. We need to teach people about safe sex, birth control techniques, the varieties of pills vs. shots vs patches vs whatever else there is. We need to instruct people in the proper way to use the different methods of contraception, thus reducing human error. We need over the counter morning after pills (it's not an abortion pill, it's more like birth control pills on steroids). We need the FDA to approve the abortion pill. We need EDUCATION. We need politicans to stop touting abstinence only education because it's been scientifically disproven as effective. We need FREE AND EASY ACCESS to birth control. PREVENTION in the first place will reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Parental consent. We need a society where teens are comfortable discussing things of a sexual nature with their parents. A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine after consent laws for minors seeking abortions went into effect, Texas had a decrease abortion rates. That's all well and good, but there was an increase in second trimester abortions because girls who ended up pregnant a few months before their 18th birthdays just waited and got one later, despite the fact that there are increased emotional, financial, and physical costs.

What is choice? Choice is the power to choose between different options. Women should be able to choose whether or not to keep their child and whether or not they want to be pregnant in the first place, whether that decision is made via abortion or birth control and contraceptives. Right now women can choose to deliver naturally or deliver on a scheduled date and time via C-section. C-sections have increased risk. After she has the C-section, a number of doctors don't let women go back to natural birth because there are "risks". If the woman wants to take the risk, let her. It's her body. If a woman is pregnant and some health complication comes up, generally speaking doctors let her choose whether or not the continue the pregnancy, even if she ends up dying. It's commonly called altruistic suicide. However, if someone is dying of a terminal illness, we force them to live out their last days in

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Friday, May 26, 2006 8:21 PM

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The difference with abortion is that you are killing the fetus, not letting it die by inaction. And if you consider it to be a human being...
I don't consider a fetus to be a human being. Why would you?



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Friday, May 26, 2006 10:12 PM

"Homosexuals are welcome, but not entitled to special consideration or protections. In other words...its nobody's business."


interesting. i did not realize that wanting to have the same rights as everyone else was asking for "special considerations/protections", especially in a country that brags about such things as "freedom" and "equality". i guess that only means freedom and equal rights for some people. if only we could practice what we preach.

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Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by mothermole:
interesting. i did not realize that wanting to have the same rights as everyone else was asking for "special considerations/protections", especially in a country that brags about such things as "freedom" and "equality". i guess that only means freedom and equal rights for some people. if only we could practice what we preach.

So what else is new?



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RUE
Friday, May 26, 2006 11:09 PM

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The GOP's message to straight Americans: If you have sex, we want it to fuck up your lives as much as possible. No birth control, no emergency contraception, no abortion services, no life-saving vaccines. If you get pregnant, tough shit. You're having those babies, ladies, and you're making those child-support payments, gentlemen. If you get HPV and it leads to cervical cancer, well, that's too bad. Have a nice funeral, slut.
This is breath-takingly blunt and on target.



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Friday, May 26, 2006 11:57 PM

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The GOP's message to straight Americans: If you have sex, we want it to fuck up your lives as much as possible. No birth control, no emergency contraception, no abortion services, no life-saving vaccines. If you get pregnant, tough shit. You're having those babies, ladies, and you're making those child-support payments, gentlemen. If you get HPV and it leads to cervical cancer, well, that's too bad. Have a nice funeral, slut.

This is breath-takingly blunt and on target.- Rue

Well It's very much in line with this from
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BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated.
It's very clear to me that his interest in granting abortion is a reward for being a religious virgin and his interest in w/holding abortion is punitive. It has NOTHING to do with either the sanctity of fetus (the fetus would still be human even if resulting from rape of a virgin) and nothing at all to do with the health of the mother.

People really are stupid if they think the far right has any interest at all in that sort of thing.

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RUE
Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:35 AM

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BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated.
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It's very clear to me that his interest in granting abortion is a reward for being a religious virgin and his interest in w/holding abortion is punitive. It has NOTHING to do with either the sanctity of fetus (the fetus would still be human even if resulting from rape of a virgin) and nothing at all to do with the health of the mother.

People really are stupid if they think the far right has any interest at all in that sort of thing.

SignyM: Thank you for that comment. It is realy true: Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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RUE
Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:35 AM

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BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated.
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It's very clear to me that his interest in granting abortion is a reward for being a religious virgin and his interest in w/holding abortion is punitive. It has NOTHING to do with either the sanctity of fetus (the fetus would still be human even if resulting from rape of a virgin) and nothing at all to do with the health of the mother.

People really are stupid if they think the far right has any interest at all in that sort of thing.

SignyM: Thank you for that comment. It was right in front of me but I never noticed. And yet it's vital. It really is true: Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by mothermole:
interesting. i did not realize that wanting to have the same rights as everyone else was asking for "special considerations/protections",


Thats understandable. Its a common misconception. It comes from the liberal notion that the "same rights as everyone else" means having rights superior to others in order to artificially correct real or perceived injustice.

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Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:53 AM

How is wanting to get married and have a recognized homosexual union in any way trying to have rights superior to others?

Pretty sure the injustice is real.



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