Jayne's first betrayal

POSTED BY: Dantien
UPDATED: Sunday, June 17, 2007 03:46
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MSG

Friday, June 15, 2007 10:28 PM

I think Jayne is very untrustworthy, but he has a deep respect ( in a sense) for women. Think about it. He might make a pile of crude comments, but have you ever seen him strike a woman with extreme violence? He was raised by his mom and I think he's reasonably gentle with women. Not that he for one minute is sensitive or some such, but he's kind, and genuinely sweet with them. He'd definitely sell out someone if he thought he could get away with it, but you see Jayne grow more in each episode to the point where, in the BDM, he's willing to risk his life for River and the crew with absolutely no possibility of a reward. I'd say Jayne's a pragmatist. He knows how the world works, takes care of number one, but isn't in any way evil. He's just trying to get along in the world.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

TERRI

Friday, June 15, 2007 10:45 PM

I agree, Jayne's a bit of a lowlife. That goes without saying. But here's the thing that makes me not quite agree with you. Watching 'The Message' got me thinking about the way Jayne reads his mom's letter, and then proceeds to wear the hat with pride. Jayne's got a thing for family. So, maybe he starts getting comfortable with Mal & Co. This leaves Jayne's stupidity. He's a dumb guy, and I think that if something caused him to betray the occupants of Serenity, I don't think it'll be because of lack of fidelity. I think it'll be lack of smarts.

CAUSAL

Friday, June 15, 2007 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by msg:
He was raised by his mom...

Just curious, but what makes you say this? The only reference I can think of to Jayne's mother is in TM, and all she did was send him a hat and a letter. You seem to be suggesting that it was just Jayne's mom who raised him, and as far as I can see, there isn't enough data to warrant that conclusion...

Of course, you might be better read than me--I haven't got all the books, so I might be missing something!

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NBZ

Friday, June 15, 2007 11:31 PM

Jayne's father is still present and alive. From "The Message":

Quote:
"Thank you for the credits you forwarded, they have helped as Matty is still sick with the Damplung. He waves hello, and so does your father.

He is in good spirits and there was layoffs but the foreman said no one can weld like a Cobb so he has
employment still. I made you the enclosed"

If (or rather when) Jayne betrays the crew IMO it will be about Mal. He may be a merc, but he has some sort of respect for Mal. Until he loses that respect - or has an offer that makes him overlook it, he will me grumbling and loyal.

People take him to be too much of a romantic. You don't restrain someone on your side by lugging them one - no matter if you like them or not. He probably did not think River would take him down. After all she is a lot smaller than he is. And crazy to boot.

TERRI

Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:41 AM

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Originally posted by nbz:
You don't restrain someone on your side by lugging them one - no matter if you like them or not.

Who does he lug, again? Not River...

NBZ

Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:54 AM

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Originally posted by Terri:
Quote:
Originally posted by nbz:
You don't restrain someone on your side by lugging them one - no matter if you like them or not.

Who does he lug, again? Not River...

Not suggesting he lugged anyone. Just that he would not have hit her even if he absolutely hated her guts. They are (were) on the same side.

ZZETTA13

Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:01 AM

Don’t think that it’s been mentioned here but I do believe that Jayne’s first betrayal was in the OoG eps where he turned against his then band of marauders and links sides with Mal and Zoey. Didn’t look as if it were that hard to win him over either. If Joss’ plans were to have Jayne viewed as a loyal/trusted crew member then it must be in future eps of FF or another BDM because even in Serenity he still carried that “all for Jayne and Jayne for all” posture.

Zoey “Think any one of us is going to get outta here alive!!?”

Jayne “ Well I might!!”

Z

NBZ

Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:14 AM

You are forgetting Stitch Hessian from Jaynestown.

ZZETTA13

Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by nbz:
You are forgetting Stitch Hessian from Jaynestown.

You're right NBZ he did chunk 'ol Stitch outta that shuttlecraft years earlier. My wife can't stand him (Jayne) but I tell her, "Don't hate poor Jayne for being transparent." besides, he's my icon

Z

NBZ

Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 AM

Poor old Jayne. He's too set in his ways to change. More importantly he enjoys his life too much to want to change.

There must be comfort to being the untrustworthy one. Unlike the rest of the crew, he does not have to sleep with one eye open. Could get a mite comfortable with status quo.

However all three situations are different:

With Stitch it was about survival. Was he willing to go down for the sake of helping out his partner? No.

With Marco, he simply did not respect the guy. It is sort of apparent in the scene we have in OoG.

With Mal, he does respect the guy. Both do think in a similar wavelength. His issue with River is not about dislike, but more about her being a liability. He was on a cushy job and the Tam's showed up changing everything. They have to be more careful with everything.

In Trash Inara suggests that Mal has not been looking for "serious work" before Mal cuts her off. Question is since when? the two options (IMO) are since Niska, or since the Tam's arrived.

If it is since the Tam's arrived, it could grate on Jayne that they are taking riskier jobs that potentially pay less just to protect their passengers. Must also irritate his greedy side.
It's a shame Firefly did not continue to show more sides of their characters.

They certainly have to be more careful going to more respectable places as that would involve more security.

(Offtopic, but I for one am certain Mal has a manipulative side to him. Probably essential to be a good leader. It is hinted at in the pilot and in Bushwacked, but nothing concrete.)

PS I would not call Jayne dim. he does have some street smarts. Just not as scholarly as the rest...

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