I am one big Trekkie
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Curious, derangedmilk, I love 'em both too, but why is Voyager above TNG?
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
I'm a huge Trekkie as well, though my collection is just getting started. I'd rank the series differently though:
Voyager
Next Generation
It's Seven, isn't it? Troi is no match for her, right?
Chrisisall
Actually its Janeway. I'm a younger guy, but I just love a controlling, powerful woman (which Seven isn't far from either). Troi and Crusher jsut never impressed me.
Though I probably liked the crew of TNG better overall (Warf beats Tuvok, Geordi beats Beleana, Riker beats Chakotai) I just got more involved in the overall story of the crew trying to get back home a little more.
Why would you rank TNG over Voyager? Got a thing for androids?
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Question: What was SO good about it (never saw an ep)? I love many a Trek, Dark Angel, New Galactica, Buffy, etc. But NOTHING compares to the almost Shakespear-like quality of Firefly for me (well, maybe Dark Angel...almost....sometimes...).
Originally posted by Reynoldsfan34:
All the Star Trek's put together wouldn't be one season of Babylon 5. No way Jose. I just think that B5 is over most peoples heads. Really.
Chrisisall, Babylon virgin
B5 is all about the story. It was developed as a 5-year storyline, which was plotted in it's entirety before production began on the 1st season. Cast changes and several near-cancellations forced them to diverge from that story a little here and there, but for the most part, it's one solid storyline from beginning to end that ran for 110 episodes (plus 6 movies and a 1-season cancelled spin-off)
It's a show with no "status quo" ala Star Trek - even less so than Firefly. Virtually every episode deepened the plot (there were a number of intertwining plots), and I have never seen another TV show where the main characters go through such profound and changing character arcs.
It's not everyone's thing. It starts slow, as the entire 1st season is set-up for events that happen over the rest of the series. The 5th season is also a bit weak, due to their having tied up several plot threads early, when they thought they were going to be cancelled. But seasons 2-4 just rock.
I'm just finishing up my 3rd time through, though this is the first time I've been able to just tear through them. The first 2 times I watched, it was on TV.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:I guess because of more diverse storylines; they were free to explore a wider range of possibilities, where as Voyager had a primary focus of 'getting home', and it sometimes overshadowed most else.
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Why would you rank TNG over Voyager? Got a thing for androids?
That said, I don't plan to get any full seasons of TNG on DVD, but at the sale of my next few comics, I do plan to pick up at least season 4 of Voyager.
I don't know what that says...
Chrisisall of 9
Edit to note: I hated Hated HATED the Worf/Troi thing on TNG.
Chakotay/Seven bothered me somewhat less.
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Quote:Back in time, I tried to watch several eps from season 1 (admittedly not from ep 1), and found it dry and overly-serious, with questionable FX.
Originally posted by Storymark:
seasons 2-4 just rock.
Maybe I should have given it more of a chance...
Unimatrix zero Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I do plan to pick up at least season 4 of Voyager.
I don't know what that says...
I hated Hated HATED the Worf/Troi thing on TNG.
Chakotay/Seven bothered me somewhat less.
If memory serves, season 4 is when they were passing through borg space, therefore it probably says that watching species 8472 and the borg duke it out, watching Seven of Nine simply....be there..., and watching the show really take off is all pretty enjoyable.
I hated the Worf Troi thing too...Troi and Riker were always supposed to be together and it just seemed like an unneccesary (and wierd) delay of a key plot arc. I thought Chakotay and Seven hooking up was a good call though. I liked Paris and Bealana together too. Although, I just realized the other day that Crusher and Picard STILL haven't worked things out. There's always Star Trek 11 I suppose( The Search for Data)...
I forget, did Janeway have any romantic interests? A husband back on Earth or something?
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Quote:For a time I thought she might hit it with Chakotay, but...
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
I forget, did Janeway have any romantic interests? A husband back on Earth or something?
Lucky seven Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Back in time, I tried to watch several eps from season 1 (admittedly not from ep 1), and found it dry and overly-serious, with questionable FX.
Originally posted by Storymark:
seasons 2-4 just rock.
Maybe I should have given it more of a chance...
Unimatrix zero Chrisisall
Like I said, the first season is slow. They all feel like stand-alone episodes in a very Star Trek-kinda way. It's only later in the series that the signifigance of many of the earlier episodes becomes clear. It doesn't help that the lead for the first year is almost devoid of charisma, though he's replaced in season 2 by Bruce Boxleightner, who was a big improvement.
As for the FX, they were the first weekly show to use all-CGI for their effects (also the first American series shot in widescreen - though it didn't air that way till it hit scifi channel), and while it was cutting edge in the mid-90's, it looks pretty dated now. Especially they're red-screen composits (they used red instead of the traditional blue or green-screen, don't know why). Often you can see a red edge around characters in front of CG backdrops, and in one episode, there are several shots where they didn't even replace the red outside a ship's window.
There are other problems with the show as well. Some of the acting is hammy - especially with the guest starts. Though a lot of the acting is top-notch as well. They also, IMO had a long-running problem with fight choreography. There's not much hand-to-hand action in the series, but what they do have often looks very staged and hokey. It did improve with the addition of the character Marcus in the 3rd season, cause, well, he was a bad-ass.
But to me, these are minor quibbles. Like I said before, it's all about the story. Once you get caught up in that, the effects matter little.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Nemisis is good only for Troi and Rikers vows, and Admiral Janeway's cameo.
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
( The Search for Data)...
"Admiral....Admiral....!"
Janeway could kick Sisko's ass Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Nemisis is good only for Troi and Rikers vows, and Admiral Janeway's cameo.
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
( The Search for Data)...
"Admiral....Admiral....!"
Janeway could kick Sisko's ass Chrisisall
You know they're bring him back though. Nemisis was a complete remake of The Wrath of Khan.
Janeway could probably kick Picard's ass too. Kirk...well, I'd like to see that fight.
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Quote:Nobody kicks Kirk's ass...'cept Ron Tracy...once.
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Kirk...well, I'd like to see that fight.
If memory serves Chrisisall
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