Return of the Jedi by Joss Whedon

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TEALCANDTRIP

Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
Lando would sacrifice himself and Funny Mustache Big Head Co-Pilot Guy in order to destroy the Death Star. Yes, Joss would destroy the Millenium Falcon. He's that vindictive, I tell you. He's probably smashed Millenium Falcon toys hundreds of times, living out his perverted fantasy to make Star Wars fans around the world collectively weep.

Well, the Millenium Falcon was originally destroyed in ROTJ. That's why Han says "Yeah, I just got a funny feeling. Like I'm not gonna see her again" when he gives the ship to Lando. In the original script, Lando and company didn't fly out of the Death Star in time to save themselves and the ship. Lucus even filmed it. But test screening results were so negative that they changed the script. Unfortunately they had already shot the last scene where they all gather together, so they just digitally added in Lando. That's why he's clapping and dancing while everybody else just sort of stands there. True Story.

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TEALCANDTRIP

Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:17 PM

Oh, and on the marketing power of Star Wars, they never say the word 'ewok' or 'ewoks' in the movie.

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STILLTHEREWAITING

Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by MightyRoar:
I heard in interview with Lucas, where he said that he intentionally leaked the title "Revenge ..." to dupe manufacturers of non-official merchandise to have the wrong name on them. Then when the film was released, he came up with the whole "well, revenge isn't really a jedi trait" thing

That strikes me as highly unlikely considering that there was a run of official movie posters done with the Revenge title. They do rather well at auctions.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:53 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisPV:
First lesson of Lucas-speak, 99% of what he says is pure bilge. If he says he did anything intentionally, I'd cast some serious doubt on that. Rembember, he always wanted Luke and Leia to be siblings, and yet he wrote in a scene in Empire where they play tonsil hockey.

Oka, obviosly you have a Lucas grudge, but some of your info is a little off.

One, Luke and Leia wern't always meant to be siblings. Even the Vader as father bit wasn't decided FOR SURE untill Jedi was ramping up production (they considered the story point that Vader was lying). Despite what he says not about having the whole 6 movies laid out from the start is bunk. I've read 5 vastly different drafts, and it's clear it wasn't all planned out.

Also, Empire is the one that Lucas had the least to do with in terms of writing. It was originally written by Leigh Bracket, who died after completing a first draft. It was then completed by Larry Kasdan.

And really, it was clearly not a case of "tonsil hockey". Leia gave Luke a closed-mouth kiss, for the obviose reason of making Han jelous. And none of the characters knew of the sibling relation at the time.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:54 PM

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Originally posted by StillThereWaiting:
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Originally posted by MightyRoar:
I heard in interview with Lucas, where he said that he intentionally leaked the title "Revenge ..." to dupe manufacturers of non-official merchandise to have the wrong name on them. Then when the film was released, he came up with the whole "well, revenge isn't really a jedi trait" thing

That strikes me as highly unlikely considering that there was a run of official movie posters done with the Revenge title. They do rather well at auctions.

No kidding. I saw one at a movie memorobelia shop last month, with a $500 price tag.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISPV

Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:32 PM

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Oka, obviosly you have a Lucas grudge, but some of your info is a little off.

One, Luke and Leia wern't always meant to be siblings. Even the Vader as father bit wasn't decided FOR SURE untill Jedi was ramping up production (they considered the story point that Vader was lying). Despite what he says not about having the whole 6 movies laid out from the start is bunk. I've read 5 vastly different drafts, and it's clear it wasn't all planned out.

Also, Empire is the one that Lucas had the least to do with in terms of writing. It was originally written by Leigh Bracket, who died after completing a first draft. It was then completed by Larry Kasdan.

And really, it was clearly not a case of "tonsil hockey". Leia gave Luke a closed-mouth kiss, for the obviose reason of making Han jelous. And none of the characters knew of the sibling relation at the time.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Guilty as to the grudge. The man annoys me no end.

Actually I don't think you understood my intent. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet, I'm afraid. I was basically saying that any of his numerous comments that he's had this whole six film series in mind since 1976 is bunk.

As for the tonsil hockey, that my friend was hyperbole for comedic effect. I tend to do that a lot.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

ORPHEUS

Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:55 PM

If I could change anything about Return of the Jedi, I'd make only two changes.

1) Shorten the entire first act. The whole thing at Jabba's Palace always struck me as being far too drawn out. Thing is, it's still all necessary plot. But crap like the dance numbers (which are fine), just pad the thing out.

2) At the end, whe Vader throws the Emperor down the Power Core shaft (or whatever that is). Well, when Lando and Wedge go into the core to blow it up, I'd have added the Emperor falling down through the shaft into the core in the background. That's always a touch I'd like to have seen. Like in Return of the King, when Denethor falls off the top of Minas Tirith and it just zooms out to show the full extent of the battle. Something like that would've been awesome at the end of Jedi.

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TIVO25

Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:09 PM

I seem to remember reading an interview or listening to a commentary somewhere where Joss had said if he'd done RotJ he'd have killed off Luke & Leia and made the movie about Han.

Don't quote me on that though, I could just be smokin' somethin'.

STORYMARK

Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisPV:
Guilty as to the grudge. The man annoys me no end.

Actually I don't think you understood my intent. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet, I'm afraid. I was basically saying that any of his numerous comments that he's had this whole six film series in mind since 1976 is bunk.

As for the tonsil hockey, that my friend was hyperbole for comedic effect. I tend to do that a lot.

Fair enough. My attempts at on-line sarcasm have sometimes met will ill result as well.

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Originally posted by Orpheus:
At the end, whe Vader throws the Emperor down the Power Core shaft (or whatever that is). Well, when Lando and Wedge go into the core to blow it up, I'd have added the Emperor falling down through the shaft into the core in the background. That's always a touch I'd like to have seen. Like in Return of the King, when Denethor falls off the top of Minas Tirith and it just zooms out to show the full extent of the battle. Something like that would've been awesome at the end of Jedi.

That would be cool. Who knows, maybe they'll add that for the enevitable ultra-mega-super-special-blu-ray edition.

What I still want to see is the original version of that scene, where Lando and the Falcon do not make it out of the explosion.

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Originally posted by TIVO25:
I seem to remember reading an interview or listening to a commentary somewhere where Joss had said if he'd done RotJ he'd have killed off Luke & Leia and made the movie about Han.

That might have made for an interesting situation, since Harrison Ford wanted very much to be killed off in Jedi.

And as a side note, how old was Joss when Jedi was made? I don't know his current age, but he couldn't have been more than what, fifteen?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

REGINAROADIE

Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:40 PM

I think he was in college when Jedi came out. In the Objects in Space commentary track, he mentioned how when he was 17 or 18 or something like that the thing that sparked his "there is no God" revelation was oddly enough, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND.

This statement now that I've thought about it makes sense, but I personally disagree with. If anything, I found the movie to be more of an affirmation of faith. I remember the first time I saw it feeling inspired. It's been said that CE3K (the shortened version of the title) is supposed to be a sci-fi version of the St. Peter story. St. Peter was the #1 persecutor of Christians until one night, while walking alone on a road, he saw a light in the sky. After that, he had an about face and became the #1 Christian. Same thing happens with Roy in CE3K. Disbeliever sees a UFO in the sky, becomes a believer and because of his faith, he gets to be taken to their home planet.

I wonder if something like that'll happen to Joss. That something so profound will happen to him that he starts believing in "the big sky bully".

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