Firefly nominated for a HUGO !!

POSTED BY: Eleri
UPDATED: Monday, June 9, 2003 12:43
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INVISIBLEGREEN

Thursday, May 8, 2003 10:02 PM

Well, "Buffy" has had robots, and elemaent of science fiction, but yes, it is a fantasy, and not a sci-fi show.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, May 9, 2003 1:58 AM

Yeah, you got me. Gaebolga you are right, no one has ever managed to strictly define either genre. Then again no one has ever managed to strictly define any genre.

But what I said basicly goes, most of the time. Except I left out a little bit, which I should have never considered leaving out. Sci Fi needs to agree with the current understanding of the universe or present a diffrent set of laws to replace a few.

The way this deffintion works (I belive-It's not mine I just agree with it, it's Orson Scott Card's <-not sure where the hyphens go) is that fantasy doen't present the ones we know, or ones that could be there instead of the ones we know.

So FTL might be possible, scientificly, but it will be a long time before you can convince people that you can teleport with your mind, without breaking the laws of phsyics.

Simpler than all that, in Buffy vampires can make people vampires because it's magic thus Buffy was fantasy, and it doesn't matter if she lives on a space ship while eating soylent green and talking with robots, it's still fantasy.

To have vampires in Sci Fi you'd have to have a reason that they die in sunlight, and can turn other people into vampires, and do the other things they do. So maybe they can turn because of a retro virus present in their saliva that when put into the blood makes someone a vampire.

XENARC

Friday, May 9, 2003 4:00 AM

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Firefly, "Serenity"

You know, I have spent the longest time trying to figure out, "why Serenity?". I love the show, I even enjoyed the episode very much and some of my favorite quotes and moments are from it, but I didn't think it was the best one.

I mentioned this to my dear one and he did point out something I hadn't thought of. Most of my favorite parts of the show are based on character and story line development. A Hugo is, of course, a Science Fiction award. Serenity is (in his mind and I am being converted) the best *overall* episode for the full Sci Fi experience.

It sets up the universe and introduces a lot of the main elements that appear in later episodes. It gives us the war, differences betweem the edge and the core, alliance ship vs Serenity type ship, Mal and the crew vs purple bellies. We get space suit drama and ships, reavers, two planetside scenes, Badger, a good idea of the tech level and politics, and much more. Serenity does not only what a pilot should as far as setting up the 'verse, but also tells a nice, fairly compact, Sci Fi story in the process.

Allowing for this I can see more of why it may have been picked over other episodes. I really think it's great that Firefly was recognised/nominated. I think it is very worthy, but with the short run it got I wasn't expecting it.

XenArc

CAPTAINMAL

Friday, May 9, 2003 4:00 AM

I've seen every Episode of "Enterprise" (some less enthusiasticly than others but I keep reminding myself how much better it is than Voyager...daming with faint praise i know) and I have to agree - no self respecting award should ever have ANIS nominated.

That's just patheticly sad. I'd nominate "Train Job" over ANIS.
There's plenty of Stargate and Farscape and other good SF to consider.

Can't imagine how the nominating process works over there.

Oh, and since I consider Serinity the best 2 hours of SF I've seen on first run telivision in decades, is clear I think it should win.

KOFFEE

Friday, May 9, 2003 4:34 AM

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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I like real vampires too Koffee. Anne Rice rules.

I am likeing you more and more each day.

Anne does rule. Have you read her witch trilogy? PM me sometime and we can talk books. Address is in my profile.

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TALONPEST

Monday, June 9, 2003 12:43 PM

As a lifelong Star Trek fan (well, up until Voyager became the only Trek on the air) I can say that Enterprise is the biggest pile of steaming horseshit I have ever had the displeasure to witness. I could write for an hour about how big an insult it is to the fans who have followed Trek for decades (ok, in my case a decade, but I'm only 22) but I don't have time right now- I have a final paper due in 5.5 hours I haven't started. But suffice it to say that the show has no regard for the continuity that made Star Trek worth watching. It takes place 100 years before the original series, yet it has technology that is just as advanced. They say they don't have shields, but they just polorize the hull plating and it does the same damn thing. They say they don't have phasers, but they have phase pistols and phase canons that do the same damn thing. And in the season finale, they got "photonic" torpedos. And then there's the fact that they're not supposed to have met the Klingons yet but they're in every other epiosde, and they're supposed to be fighting the Romulans at this point with lasers and nukes. Oh, and the ship design is blatantly ripped off of the Akira class that was designed for the First Contact movie, which takes place about 200 years after Enterprise. So there's all that, AND the writing and acting stinks.

So I vote for Serenity in this contest. Conversations with Dead People would have been much better if Dawn weren't in it, and Waiting in the Wings was good, but not as good as Serenity. I liked Firefly better than Angel.

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