Can you believe this.
POSTED BY: Firestalker
UPDATED: Monday, March 6, 2006 06:43
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Just wanted to make sure you made the distinction.
You wanted to make sure I made the distinction.
My post described a particular point in time, and I used the word "trolling". I thought that I was fairly obviously describing that vocal and annoying division of fans we refer to as "trolls".
The distinction was already implied.
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11thHour,
With no tone of voice to go on I’m forced to guess the feeling behind the words. Seemed snappy to me.
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The distinction was already implied.
The statement:
"All Dark Angel fans are trolls and some were here at a given time."
is only one word off from:
"Some Dark Angel fans are trolls and some were here at a given time."
You said "THE herds of ..." how was I supposed to know which quantifier you meant?
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Originally posted by Firestalker:
It *needs* STAR TREK and STAR WARS to play off of. It's not so much an original creation as a parody/pastiche of more substantial works. Its referential humor and storytelling falls flat otherwise.
Firestalker -- Interesting reading, thanks. Unfortunately, I can believe it.
Huh. Why haven't I been this obsessed about any show/movie, ever, in my 44 years? In my opinion, it is because Joss got it right. Tragic that it is merely parody/pastiche. Oh, the irony.
--Karel.
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What was it Joss said he wanted to name the BDM? Something like "Bang Boobie Explosion". I think this reviewer may have had more interest if that name had been used.
The the basic story plots (which could be combined in various ways)I remember from school are:
Man vs. Man
Man vs. Nature
Man vs. Self
Perhaps that was just in regard to conflict.
"Yeah, we're pretty much just giving each other significant looks and laughing incessantly."
-Wash
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
The statement:
"All Dark Angel fans are trolls and some were here at a given time."
is only one word off from:
"Some Dark Angel fans are trolls and some were here at a given time."
First of all, the two different "quotes" you provided are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with what I said. Clarification can only be achieved if you stay with the words I actually used instead of composing your own quotes.
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You said "THE herds of ..." how was I supposed to know which quantifier you meant?
Here's my original post:
>>>Wow. I haven't seen that kind of shallow, angry and ignorant commentary on Firefly since 2002... when the herds of wailing, whining Dark Angel fanboys were trolling the boards.
That review is missing the crucial sign-off:
"My head hurts."<<<
"The herds of... " is referring to the rather large quantity of D.A. fanboys who were bombarding the message board back then. No where did I make the statement that all Dark Angel fans were trolls. But the ones showing up on our board were trolling.
You weren't around when it happened, you said as much yourself. I made a short post that folks who remembered the trolls might find mildly amusing in a "strolling down troll memory lane" kinda way. I guess it's one of those "you had to be there" things.
It was a joke. There's no need to take it so seriously.
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Howdy, all!
I've got a little question for everyone, the possible response to which I find intriguing:
Have you ever hated something so much that you actually hunted it down all across the web just in order to bash it?
My answer: Hell no. If I dislike something, I just ignore it to the greatest extent possible. Maybe I'm shirking my responsibility to the human race by not passing my unquestionable wisdom and discernment along to my fellows; but, I reckon I'm not really that smart, that witty, that much more a connoisseur of the arts, and that my opinions need to be broadcast to every other human. Even dumbasses are entitled to the things they like, free from stuffy know-it-alls telling them their favorite bits of entertainment are fluffy pieces of poo.
I do, however, feel moved to tell people about the things I love. And if someone gets on this board and says that Star Wars or Star Trek were/are better than Firefly/Serenity, I feel okay telling them that their head is an overstuffed sack of manure.
But, I don't go to SW or ST websites and pick a fight. I have never gone to IMDB and entered a negative review of any film, regardless how bad it was or how repeatedly its director/producer 'raped my childhood'.
So what about y'all? Ever specifically seek something out just to give it a tarring?
That's what intrigues me about guys like the IMDB poster (and the trolls around here, regardless their feelings about DA). What motivated him to spend his time, and make the hamster in his head run faster in its little cage, just to say something negative? Seems like a complete and utter waste of effort, to me.
Inquisitively,
zoid
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So, 'man v. man', 'man v. nature', and 'man v. self', would yield a total of 6 distinct 'protagonist v. antagonist' themes when adding, 'woman v. man', 'woman v. nature', and 'woman v. self'. But then you'd have to add a seventh, most-bloody theme: 'woman v. woman'. Have you ever seen a sales event in the ladies footware department at Sears? *shudders* Oh, the carnage... Reminiscent of River v. Reavers: I often wonder if there were shoes involved. "What are your thoughts, Hobson?"
P.P.S.
Oops! And an eighth distinct theme: 'man v. woman'. Perhaps the funniest, although the man is invariably doomed... Think, "Intolerable Cruelty" or "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" (at the end of which Pitt holds up both hands, fingers splayed, and silently mouths the word, "Ten"; looks like 'I surrender' and 'down for the count', to zoid).
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Originally posted by zoid:
That's what intrigues me about guys like the IMDB poster (and the trolls around here, regardless their feelings about DA). What motivated him to spend his time, and make the hamster in his head run faster in its little cage, just to say something negative? Seems like a complete and utter waste of effort, to me.
I don't have a problem with someone that regularly writes movies reviews on IMDB, Metacritic, or a personal blog writing negative review about movies she doesn't like. Part of the fun of pop culture is being able to comment on it, and that includes trashing things that you don't like. And negative commentary can be useful to others with similar tastes to the critic, in so far as it keeps them from wasting money on products they won't enjoy. What I don't understand is the people that hang around in the discussion boards to trash the movie. It's one thing to write a review and then move on to the next movie, and quite another to hang around and pick fights. There is little sport to the kind of sparring that seems to go on.
I do think we tend to be overly sensitive to negative commentary that occurs outside of the fan-based boards, and that part of that sensitively is driven by the notion that we need to market the product to insure sufficient commercial success to get either a sequel or another series. The DVD sales are holding, which will eventually show that Serenity was a success. However, I suspect that it would be a lot easier to ignore wankers if the movie had gone on to take $80M in box office receipts during the original release, or if a subsequent project had already been announced.
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
It was a joke. There's no need to take it so seriously.
Then why are you?
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First of all, the two different "quotes" you provided are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with what I said. Clarification can only be achieved if you stay with the words I actually used instead of composing your own quotes.
You're telling me that introducing those two outside examples didn't bring clarification to the ambiguity involved?
I've been under the impression for all of my life, apparently incorrectly, that showing examples was helpful.
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"The herds of... " is referring to the rather large quantity of D.A. fanboys who were bombarding the message board back then.
Obviously, but that hardly tells whether you claim it is a representive group or not.
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No where did I make the statement that all Dark Angel fans were trolls.
I said you did not say that so I fail to see why you are pointing it out, but if it helps I will again acknowledge that you didn't say that.
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But the ones showing up on our board were trolling.
Again, obviously.
I still fail to see why you're making a big deal out of it, you said something that could clearly be interpreted in at least five different ways because of your word choice. I wanted to make sure that you did not mean for it to be a particular one of those ways, and then, after stating you didn't mean it that way, you got pissed off.
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Like you said, "It was a joke. There's no need to take it so seriously," so stop taking it so seriously.
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Originally posted by Rcat:
The the basic story plots (which could be combined in various ways)I remember from school are:
Man vs. Man
Man vs. Nature
Man vs. Self
Perhaps that was just in regard to conflict.
Those are conflicts.
(Should be noted that “Man” is not only a unisex term but could also be applied to things like dogs and aliens.)
If memory serves there are a couple more, with a complete list like this:
Man vs. Self
Man vs. Man
Man vs. Society
Man vs. Nature
Man vs. God
Only adds up to five though.
Anyway the conflicts and the plots can be combined in many different ways, for example the classic tale of a severely depressed unpopular teen with no self-confidence ending up with the popular girl and self-esteem has a decent mix.
It has all three plots
boy meets girl, obviously
humble tailor in that he manages to rise above his station in life to date the popular girl
Learns better in that in the course of the story he learns he is good for something
For conflicts it has three
Man vs. Self - overcoming the depression and low self confidence
Man vs. Man - him vs. any rivals in love or life he might have
Man vs. Society - him vs. the entire social structure that says he, as an unpopualar kid, can and can't do
Perhaps the reason that this tired old story takes place on camping trips often enough is so they can work in:
Man vs. Nature, and
Man vs. God
And thus have everything that could be in the story in the story.
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When it comes to originality Sun Tuz has this to say in, The Art of War:
There are not more than five musical notes, yet the combinations of these five give rise to more melodies than can ever be heard.
There are not more than five primary colors (blue, yellow, red, white, and black), yet in combination they produce more hues than can ever been seen.
There are not more than five cardinal tastes (sour, acrid, salt, sweet, bitter), yet combinations of them yield more flavors than can ever be tasted.
In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack--the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers.
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I think one of the reasons for Firefly/Serenity's lack of super big success is that it is too smart for the room, so to speak. Perhaps if the dialogue were stiffer or the actors made to be flatter in presentation more would like it because it would be easier to "get."
I mean name one other movie/series that actually uses the word "laconic" in an ironic way.
The vocabulary, the dialogue, the character development,the humor--all of that is what attracted me to the show. I think I was hooked in the first 5 minutes, just a few short weeks ago. Now I've made purchases, am posting on websites,and cannot get enough.
No, I've never, ever, had this kind of reaction to film/tv. Books yes. Music yes.
Is Firefly/Serenity a bad ripoff? I don't think so. And I'm glad to have found it. Better late than never.
Oh...I never purchased anything SW or ST related.
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