The Capitalist Manifesto

POSTED BY: Yulaw
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 08:34
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Patently and demonstratably false.

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I was working for my father at the time as an ass. editor for his syndicate column. He knew guys at apple and microsoft, and had met gates more than once. I distinctly recall apple hiring microsoft people to help, and I am certain IBM contracted microsoft for OS2. I'm certain of all of it actually, I'm not stabbing in the dark here.

Secondly, it's not surprising that Microsoft worked on apple's OS, they had written apple's first OS. Gates had been kicked out of the so called homebrew club for attempting to sell software to other members, and jobs and wozniak had approached him outside the club circle to buy said software, beginning a partnership that would last for many years.

It was microsoft's work with apple, and I wasn't saying it wasn't an inhouse apple deal, it was, but with microsoft programmers helping, that made IBM go to Microsoft for the deal to make OS2. If this had never happened, they would have gone to DR who had already invented their desktop gui derived from the xerox star system.

I'm not swearing by this, but this is certainly what I recall happening at the time. MS was more than a software house, but they were not yet taking sides of the IBM clone makers, and were perfectly happy to help apple, a client and customer, not a competitor.

All of which doesn't touch the point that capitalism is the competition of ideas, and the idea of the xerox star gui survives, and has even spread to linux, even if the xerox star itself is long gone from the marketplace.

Yeah, Bill stole form everyone. This was the business model though, and now we just accept it. Want to make you're site better? Take code from other people's sites. That's fine, code has no intellectual property value, I accept that.

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Citizen,

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Your wrong,

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I was there. I doubt I'm wrong. I was just using that collaboration which did exists to mention that it did, but again, it's not the point.

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It could have easily been Beta max vs. VHS, for instance.

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There were all sorts of data integrity issues, and then there's simple marketing flaws. Sony had a proprietary model, like apple, the company controls everything, very not-open source, not-free market, and that model fails.

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Secondly trust me on this, the proposition that the Mac architecture is better than the IBM x86 is far from iffy.

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I don't have to trust you on this. I did assembler programming. I'm aware of the advantages of the motorola model, but I also know the disadvatages. The fact is that in almost no time at all, intel, having invented the chip, (spare the fairchild argument, intel is the fragment of fairchild that created the chip), delivered so much power so fast that the single function intel chip vastly outstripped the multi-function motorola in sheer power. It was also easier to develop, and dev time is also part of the equation.

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Except time and again the most ruthless companies win out over the most efficient.

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They sometimes win out over superior product ideas, but those ideas usually come back to haunt them, once the issue of competition is out of the way. They seldom trounce more efficient companies.

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It's not despite government controls, it's because of them.

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Govt. is actually hindering the situation. Govt. created regulations to enforce slavery, and unions and taxes. It's hardly helping the common worker. In the absence of govt. control, wages would go up, not down.

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They abounded in Britain as well, until they were made illegal. Slavery ended in the western world because it was made illegal, not because it was bad for business.

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Slavery was always bad for business. We're talking about a free society, where govt. protects the rights of the people and does nothing more, like the founding fathers said it should. Under such a system, no one is going to go on to the plantation to pick cotton unless he is paid and treated well. If govt. isn't there to help you enforce slavery, but instead is protecting the rights of the people, it's going to be very hard to talk a man with free will into enslaving himself. It's going to get harder if the man is educated, not on drugs and not devoid of marketable skills.

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Bad labour practices abounded in the free market capitalism of the 19th century because people had no choice as well DT. Please don't tell me they weren't really capitalist because they were.

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Why not? The socialists always say "oh it wasn't really socialist." Anyway, I'm not saying that, I'm saying the societies weren't free because people weren't being protected from the threat of violence, and often the govt. was the arm of the threat of violence.

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Yes I'm sure if you started to threaten a big corporation which in an environment that had no imposed rules would be the law, they'd be more than happy to play by the rules. Problem is DT they don't now, and that's with measures in place to force them to do so.

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Men aren't angels. All govt. needs to do is keep people from hitting each other over the head with shovels. If hitting someone over the head with a shovel is profitable, lawless people will do it, just as they will do it if it gets them laid, makes them live longer or helps their family gain a larger share of the land. This flaw isn't unique to capitalism, it's part and parcel of human nature.

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Fighting men have turned to drugs and alcohol to escape the rigours of war since before the Romans.

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Actually, and I except her judgement on these things, a fair number of these guys had these problems before they joined the military. The momma army guys. But for some, sure, you're right.

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The argument that capitalism doesn't fail, its socialists corrupting it, doesn't persuade me anymore the more I hear it.[/q

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