Nephilim who or what are they
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UPDATED: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 22:15
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The most popular belief today is that UFOs are spaceships piloted by aliens from outer space.
But another good theory which never gets as much press is that which says UFOs may, in fact, be right here from earth.
Instead of being Extraterrestrials, UFO aliens might be Ultraterrestrials -- a species that has always been here, which evolved on earth along with homo sapiens, but which represents a species far superior.
These Ultraterrestrials are so superior to us it's almost impossible for us to comprehend their existence. All we know of them are fleeting glimpses of lights in the sky, occasional bizarre encounters between human beings and so-called aliens, and other unexplained phenomenon.
Think of how a group of monkeys in the wild perceive human beings. Because their own level of consciousness is so limited, they cannot comprehend that we humans are beyond being just another kind of animal. They may see a jet or a helicopter or a car, but to the monkeys, nothing in their consciousness can explain these amazing things.
A monkey may think of an airplane as some kind of magical giant bird. They relate to it with the level of understanding they have about their environment. The speculation of the monkey, at best, is a crude idea about the total truth of an airplane, and the fact it represents entire levels of consciousness that are so advanced, they are literally invisible to monkey mind.
Now think of a human being who encounters a UFO. To us a UFO seems to be some kind of flying, mechanical aircraft -- but the true nature of the UFO may be as different from a spacecraft as a bird is from an airplane. Like the monkey, we just don't have the advanced levels of consciousness we need to comprehend the true nature of a UFO.
As humans, we make the naturally egotistical assumption that we are the species at the top of the heap -- we see ourselves as the peak of achievement of evolution. We even make the bold claim that God, the supreme architect of the entire universe, created us in his own image!
But it's not a big leap to consider that we are just another link in a vast chain of species, many which are below us, and some which may be above us.
People who support the Ultraterrestrial theory point out that supernatural beings seemingly superior to humans have been reported throughout history. In previous eras they were called gods, angels, ogres, fairies, brownies, little people, demons, and more.
The Bible is filled with references to supernatural creatures, including giants, "wheels" flying in the sky out of which incredible creatures emerge, and more.
But references to flying disks were recorded centuries before the texts of the Bible. Cave drawings dating to 30,000 B.C. depict numerous drawings of disks floating around in the sky, remarkably similar to modern UFO photographs.
Some maverick UFO investigators have pointed out the amazing similarities of modern UFO aliens to that of elves, fairies and the various "little people" famous in the folklore of many cultures.
Fairies are well known for kidnapping people, the same irritating habit UFO aliens have. People who are abducted report incidents of missing time, a phenomenon very similar to time lapses reported by people taken to and returned from "fairyland".
Fairies, like modern aliens, tend to be diminutive creatures with large magical eyes. Many reports of alien abduction even include "power rods" used to paralyze abductees, just as fairies wield "magic wands".
One of the most interesting comparisons between aliens and fairies is that both are interested in stealing babies. One of the most common fairy activities is swiping babies from cribs, and sometimes replacing them with a false double, or "changeling" as they are sometimes called.
A large part of modern UFO literature involves aliens abducting women, impregnating them, and later abducting them again, only to remove and take the unborn baby right out of the womb.
Clearly, both UFO occupants and fairies have a strong affinity for the baby stealing busin
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Kent Hovind is a terrible source of information. Most of his arguments for creationism, for instance, are so bad that ( http://www.kent-hovind.com/aig_debunk.htm) Answers in Genesis (one of the biggest creationist resources) has them added in their list over arguments not to use. Not to mention that this so called doctor got his degree at a diploma mill...
This of course, doesn't adress the actual issue, it's just me performing character assassination, but since I have no intent of actually going out to look for further info about this, I figured a bit of background might be in order, so as to explain why I so quickly dismiss this as complete and utter baloney.
Simply put, the source linked to (Hovind) has been spewing so much utter BS and outright lies on other topics relating to religion that I can't be arsed to look at more of it...
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I think Goliath probably did exist in some form, but I don’t think he was related to any species of giant. If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then) then it's not hard to imagine how Giant mythology emerged.
There is archeological evidence of very large homanids (not 36 feet tall), gigantopethicus is one example. Long extinct by the biblical times, but within the timeframe of human species, so it’s not impossible that oral tradition might have carried some memory of giant apes or other forms of giant hominids.
However, any reference to giants contemporary with Biblical times are probably mythical or just tall people or people with abnormal pituitary function. The same thing exists today.
Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby
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Should this really be in "General Discussion" which is meant for Firefly or movie threads? Shouldn't it be in Talk Story or Real World discussion?
Just saying.
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Many antagonists who oppose certain issues use "character assassination" 
as a tool.
"If you can't destroy the ideal, destroy the idealist"
I've seen politicians do this and many atheistic based individuals. 
Even if the ideal is true "character assassination" works to make it all look incredulous 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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It is what it is
A "general discussion"
Why quibble over location when one is having a conversation.
Excuse me why I go from the kitchen to the toilet so I can talk crap
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Those individuals are not persay "giants"
They are tall humans
The giants range from 13 feet to 18 feet and were not "benevolent"
They were mutants that were antagonisitc and savage. Not sports idols of today.
Bird and jordon would be dwarves compaired to Goliath who really did exist. Goliath was a descendent of the son's of Anak who were the first "giants" from the Nephilimic affirs with human women.
Goliath's ancestors, the Anakites and the Rephaites, were people of great height and strength. Sometimes they had other physical mutations, such as six fingers and toes. They were seen as heroes, almost superhuman. Goliath's ancestry is interesting, because The bible tells us that the Anakites were Canaanites, and Joshua and the people of Israel killed them or drove them from the land. But some of them fled to the Philistines and lived there. So Goliath is doubly an enemy of the Lord and the Lord's people. His ancestors should have been wiped out by Israel, and they would have been if Israel had been more obedient to the Lord. So this is why Goliath has such a great hatred for Israel and king Saul - because they are the invaders of his ancestors' land. He hates Israel, and he hates their God, who has judged his people and destroyed them because of their sin. And so he defies both Israel and the Lord. He is a proud, arrogant, cursing man. In verse 43 we read how he cursed David by his gods when David approached him to fight him.
For forty days, Goliath came out and issued his challenge. What was the response of Saul and Israel to this defiance against the Lord and his army? Verse 11 - ' On hearing the Philistine’s words, Saul and all the Israelites were dismayed and terrified….' And in verse 24, 'when the Israelites saw the man, they all ran from him in great fear.'
Goliath and his shield bearer were very brave men - verse 24 says he stepped out from his lines to shout his usual defiance. Now that should actually be translated he went UP from his lines - that is, what he was doing was actually going down into the creekbed and UP the other side to the Israelite front line, and they were all so scared of him they didn't even dare to throw rocks at him as he climbed up to them, they just ran.
They shouldn't have been dismayed though, because God told them not to be, and they shouldn't have run, because Israel in the past had defeated such giants, Goliath's ancestors, when they took the Promised Land.
Furthermore, although Goliath is a cursing man, yet he is also an accursed man.
God said to Israel's ancestor Abraham, when he chose him and promised him the land, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (Gen 12:1-3)
…whoever curses you I will curse. God promised them that, but they did not believe it. They allowed Goliath to curse Israel and God for forty days running. But David knew God's promise. That's why he says in verse 26, "what will be done for the man who kills this Philistine and removes this disgrace from Israel? Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God?"
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Quote:I didn't realize Joe Pesci was that old.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then)
(I was gonna make a joke about him being well-preserved, but then I remembered what Joe Pesci actually looks like. . .)
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I think some people need to do more Bible study, the Nephilim (the word as transcribed from the Hebrew, which also means miscarriage) mentioned in Genesis 6:4 are common in ancient literature (the different books of the Bible are after all ancient literature). However, to say that they are giants as we understand them in modern fairytales is a matter of interpretation and to believe that they are real because the Bible tells us so ignores all of the other variations in the Bible. For example, how many animals went into Noah's Ark? It depends which verse you read. 6:19-6:20 = two of every kind. But a few verses later (7:2) says "Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and its mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and its mate"
The Bible cannot be understood literally in a consistent and coherent way. You can believe your own version of the Bible to be literal but the person next to you will choose the other version. This isn't to say that there wasn't a flood but it didn't happen exactly how is written in the Bible because that isn't physically possible.
extremely dimensionally transcendental
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Actually it is misinterpreted
It meant not two of every kind but matching pairs
male and female.
Seven matching pairs ...male and female from each species.
Now as far as documentation
I have great great great grandfather but I NEVER NEW HIM AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF HIM, So should I say that because it's been many years and passing and there is no documentation that he never existed?
The same with the bible and other recorded history. Just because these creatures are not with us today doesn't mean they never existed.
We know because we have recorded accouts of them
Even Egyptian and Sumarian records show the giants
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/images/SumerianGiantKing.jpeg
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/giant.tomb.html
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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