Was it the mixed marriage they didn't like?
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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 05:10
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Quote:I doubt there is anything particularly offensive about marriage for the Firefly demographic, and I don’t know what Fox was thinking. But maybe because they wanted to parody the show. Fox never had any faith in Firefly; from the outset they were opposed to any serious depiction of anything in the show.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Why would they have been so opposed to having a happily married couple on the crew?? Does their 'market research' (how I loathe the term) tell them marriage is somehow offensive to their 'demographic'(that one too)?
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Originally posted by Viking:
well i kinda thogth racism was more a minority thing
but i guess the majority off the american pepole are racist then
if they dont want mix mariges
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I'd like to think it is a minority, but its still around. But we tend to whitewash over it. It is enough people that I think networks get antsy about offending them and tinker with their shows to accomodate. Personally, I'm glad Joss fought them on this issue even if it did lose a few potential fans. Let the racist squirm. It'll be good for them.
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Originally posted by dax82:
Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.
Oh? How about "Hey, let's schedule this "Firefly" show in the Friday evening Sci-Fi death slot?"
As for network resistance to Wash & Zoe's salt-and-pepper marriage: As half of one myself, I have come across a certain amount of prejudice. But, as both I and my wife suffer from a like prejudice against closed-minded morons, it tends to even out.
Plus, people, even prejudiced people, are pre-desposed to accept things in TV shows that they might feel uncomfortable around in real life. I doubt a mixed marriage in a Science-Fiction show would have raised that many eyebrows. It sounds more like a Fox Exec who had already made up his mind to hate Firefly looking for another excuse.
Oh, and last note: as to those Star Trek marriages cited, only the O'Brians are a mixed marriage in the modern sense; regardless of the ancestry of the actors involved, the others are inter-species marriage, not inter-racial. Outside of that woman in Britain who married a dolphin earlier this year, I don't know of any real-world examples of that.
Geez. I hope they have a pre-nup.
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Quote:That’s my point. With the number of homosexual themes being bandied about in television shows, even on Fox, it seems to belie the facts to suggest that a largely restrained interracial marriage subplot in a science fiction show was the reason Fox had a problem with Firefly. It just smells of bullshit.
Originally posted by RocketJock:
Plus, people, even prejudiced people, are pre-desposed to accept things in TV shows that they might feel uncomfortable around in real life. I doubt a mixed marriage in a Science-Fiction show would have raised that many eyebrows. It sounds more like a Fox Exec who had already made up his mind to hate Firefly looking for another excuse.
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I think you can't compare homosexuality with racism. The latter has a long, painful history. The other is a social concept parts of the society obviously can't accept yet. Two largely different issues in my eyes.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s my point. With the number of homosexual themes being bandied about in television shows, even on Fox, it seems to belie the facts to suggest that a largely restrained interracial marriage subplot in a science fiction show was the reason Fox had a problem with Firefly. It just smells of bullshit.
Yeah, It think you're right. But they did argue vehemently with Joss to take the married couple aspect out. I've heard this from several different sources. I wonder if they just didn't decide that their presumed audience wouldn't have the maturity to track adult relationship issues? I think this might have been it. I think a lot of network execs tend to look at scifi fans and infantile in many ways.
This only shows, once again, how Fox never really wanted what Firefly offered, namely mature drama and interesting character development.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
This only shows, once again, how Fox never really wanted what Firefly offered, namely mature drama and interesting character development.
Yeah, it seems that Fox's concept of the Science-Fiction viewership is innumerable 13-year old males in "I Grok Spock" T-Shirts, all trying to find nude shots of Lucy Lawless on the web.
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Originally posted by CBY:
I think you can't compare homosexuality with racism. The latter has a long, painful history. The other is a social concept parts of the society obviously can't accept yet. Two largely different issues in my eyes.
But they're both based on the same principle: "Look at that person; they're not like us. They must be inferior."
And how is homosexuality a social concept? Not to mention that it also has a long painful history too.
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Originally posted by Viking:
well i kinda thogth racism was more a minority thing
but i guess the majority off the american pepole are racist then
if they dont want mix mariges
As a white girl dating a Dominican and going to school in the whitest state in the nation, I have to admit that my boyfriend and I get some strange looks when we go to Walmart together. On the other hand, interracial couples are a non-issue on our liberal and relatively diverse campus. So the answer to your question is, it depends on where you are and who you are with. Furthermore, those people in Walmart aren't necessarily racist, but rather surprised.
I mean, when was the last time you saw an interracial couple in a commercial? It's still a touchy and/or unusual subject for many people (of all races).
I also think that if Fox objected to the marriage, it was for the reasons other people have mentioned - namely that TV execs think all sci-fi geeks are drooling adolescent boys.
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P.S. Where are you from, Viking? I want to learn about the magical land without racism.
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