Trolling is now officialy illeagal!

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JAYTEE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:02 AM

Yeah, Democracy was nice while it lasted. Thanks to the damn Republicans we can now look forward to the future where Browncoats are an endangered species but Brownshirts (fascists) are everywhere. Vote these bastards out of office in the 2006 and 2008 elections or we might as well just shred the Constitution after they have another 8 years to screw us out of our rights.

Jaytee

CHINDI

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:16 AM

Fellow travelers.. I made a jest of sorts above to keep the mood light... but I do not take these things lightly nor do I think anyone should...

We all have a duty to defend the constitution, even when our so called elected officials do not...

governments serve at the authority and wishes of the people. When they cease to do so, they get changed out.

We have our voices so long as we use them to debate and discuss and disagree when it is merited.

Write your representatvies and decry this, if in fact it is an actual law, and not some mis information.. who can ever know these days?

We are only powerless when we let them have the power.. and there are far more of US than them...

I do not wish to be on the wrong side, nor in this case, the losing side.

SPEAK OUT! BECOME A PAIN IN THE ARSE! EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS!

Chindi (getting off soap box now...) NEXT?!?

STDOUBT

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:43 AM

@ JayTee,
The problem with that is there's really almost
no difference between the Dems and the Repubs
anymore. Both camps are mostly made up of Globalists (think NAFTA, WTO, etc.).
When Howard Dean was shoved aside by Kerry, I
became convinced Kerry's working for the status quo.
You think Hillary is any different? People don't call her Hillary W. Bush for no reason. Over the past 60 or so years, Liberty has been eroding steadily regardless of which "side" was in power.
I consider it a travesty there are only 2 parties
in this nation who are percieved as "having a chance" at leadership. By now, it should come as no surprise they're in cahoots. Said it before, say it again:
--
Democrat / Republican
Divided / Conquered
Don't waste your vote!
Vote 3rd party -- *any* 3rd party.
The choice between 2 evils is no choice at all!

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:25 AM

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read...

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read...

I envy you.

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Quote:
Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read...

I envy you.

Okay, now it's the second!

ZOID

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:03 AM

From News.com:

Quote:
I believe you are misreading the law.
Reader post by: Dave Madden
Posted on: January 9, 2006, 3:43 PM PST
Story: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail

H.R.3402 Sec. 113 (a)(3)(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).

Therefore the new wording applies only to instances arising under subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1).

The subsection referred to by the amended text is:
"(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications;"

The presence of the phrase "Called number" pretty conclusively removed all internet communications such as blogs and message boards. This seems to be measure to close a loophole that existed for internet based phone call services like vonage, etc because there is clearly no called number with regard to blogs.

O, ye of little faith. I promise you no one will ever go to jail for something they write on the Internet, short of hate mongering or outright sedition. ...Okay, so some of y'all might be in trouble.

The ACLU would have a field day, and it's unconstitutional from the get-go.

Here, I'll prove it: You're all a bunch of Chicken Little, "the sky is falling!", knee-jerk reactionaries...

See? Nothing happened!

Hang on a sec, someone's at the door...

Dis-Respectfully,

Prisoner # 5187265
Lompoc, CA

P.S.
Please send cigarettes...
_________________________________________________

"I aim to be really well behaved and never upset anyone, especially a lawyer." -Capt. Mal Reynolds (paraphrased), Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

RUNA27

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:38 AM

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We alreadyhave libel laws making it a crime to write defamatory claims against a private party!

So you're saying, people have a right to call me a plagiarist for allegedly stealing a work that is, in fact, mine? And to spread this rumor maliciously EVERYWHERE in print, to the point where people believe it even though it's not true? Making it so that no matter how hard I try, I simply cannot get a job in writing, my chosen profession, because I've been portrayed as a literary theif?

Because that's what anti-libel law protects against, friend. It doesn't protect you against somebody revealing ugly TRUTHS. It doesn't mean that you can sue over a silly flamewar (or at least, it's not meant to act like that). What it's meant for is instances like I mentioned above, where a person's entire professional reputation and credibility, and potentially livlihood, are to at least some extent threatened. Those are the cases it's meant for, and those are the ones it's needed for. *wishes there were a "stern-but-not-pissed look" smiley*

However, libel actually has pretty much NOTHING to do with this.

What worries me about this - as it does to many others - is the overly-vague language. See, if it were "harass", fine. But ANNOY?

As noted, people can be "annoyed" at simply things. Indeed, to connotation of "annoy" is fairly mild in comparision to "harass", even though harassment itself can take the form of "repeatedly annoying the person, even after being asked to stop".

Also, most communities worth belonging to DO have some sort of control to deal with trolls - I won't list them here, because people have already listed them, but mods and admins do help.

And since there's no law against REAL LIFE annoyances (as well there shouldn't be! Then how the hell would we protest? Or in some cases, convince a person out of doing something stupid?), I fail to see how this is any better.

In response to the "I wasn't aware the internet was American" comment... actually, technically, it is. The main servers that process data transfer over the internet are in the United States. Which is somewhat disturbing, in some ways, at least lately.

We're still allowed to write anonymous letters "annoying" Senators about important issues they're being too chicken to address (granted, this will be screened to make sure it ain't got anthrax or something, but after that...). Apparently, we can only do this by hand nowadays. *eyeroll* Oh noes!!11 Not over the intarweb! Heaven forbid a method of mass communication could be used for mass communication! Not if it's something not entirely pleasant! Even if it's harmless!

*siiiigh* I HAAAATE pork. I HAAAATE it.

There should be a law against attaching laws to other laws. I've yet to see this power NOT be abused by Congressmen.

-Runa27

Can't Stop The Signal

CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:59 AM

Most of the best most disruptive Trolls don't work like that. They push other people into throwing about the insults and sit back and watch.

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In response to the "I wasn't aware the internet was American" comment... actually, technically, it is. The main servers that process data transfer over the internet are in the United States. Which is somewhat disturbing, in some ways, at least lately.

Not even technically. Even if that was entirely true, American laws can't police the Internet, nor non-Americans, no matter how much Bush and the rest of the country thinks they should.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

ANDRE83

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:12 AM

To the guy 2 post above me. Are you on crack? The internet aint american no matter where the central hyper big time servers are located. They have to be located somewhere. There are servers all around the globe. Some in the us, most elsewhere.

Typical american to say something like that

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

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