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POSTED BY: gypsylife
UPDATED: Friday, February 10, 2006 16:28
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Originally posted by CaptainShiny:
Rex's betrayal. That bastard.
Rest in peace, Steggy. Rest in peace.
*chokes, gasps*
I'm right there with ya, man. That part SO got me! OCEANS of tears! OCEANS!
And on a less facetious note, I gotta say that when Mal tells Jayne that as far as he knew, every man who ever had a statue built in his honor was "one kinda sumbitch or another", I actually got a little quiet at the look on Jayne's face.
I have no heart -- I admit that freely -- but that lost, bewildered, aching expression on Jayne's usually hard or snarky face made the vacuumous hole where my heart should be kinda hurt a little.
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Originally posted by Fredikayllow:
Rivers monologue in War Stories: "I work... i function like I'm a girl... I hate it because i know it'll go away"
I know that feeling, "I hate it becasuse I know it'll go away." I hate that feeling, that makes me want to cry for her, usually it does bring tears.
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Originally posted by Blueishbrowncoat:
How about in the BDM when we pull back from Serenity's name on the ship and swing around as its entering atmo?...and with that music. :)
God yes.
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Even though I'm new to the 'verse that is such a triumphant sequence to me. They are still flyin, you know. It pulls at the heart strings in a good sort of way. I sort of see it as pheonix imagery...I could be digging way to deep on that one though.
Who cares? The image fits.
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Hoplessly addicted but in that good sort of way. :)
Ditto.
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So many moments to choose from...I'm a big Mal/Inara hopeless romantic, so here's one that stands out in my mind: In Serenity Part I when Inara first joins the crew, and Kaylee asks her how many men fell in love with her. "Just the one," she says. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way Mal looks up after her when she says that. It speaks volumes about the way he kind of pines for her in secret. Also I love Train Job when he teases her about "respectable clients". She says "Don't start" when she moves up next to him. You can just see him breathe her in, and she doesn't notice. It always gets to me. I did say I was a hopeless romantic!!
"You ready to get off this heap and back to a civilized life?" "I, uh, I don't know." "Good answer."
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Originally posted by Capella:
There are many other great emotional moments in both the series and the movie, though. I think, that is one of the reasons it is so good. You just care for the people so much after a while. I really tend to forget that they are just fictional characters. Thay go right under my skin.
When I was severely depressed and slightly existential I realized something, even after I got out of that state it still rang true.
The line between real and fiction isn't important, or rather it doesn't exist in the way most people think. While believing that Mal, Zoe, River and the rest are physical people walking around would make you more than somewhat insane they are in a very real sense real. I feel like I've used the word real too much.
If people believe in something strongly enough it is real. Belief is a thing all its own, if you give someone a placebo it can cure some of the worst ills if they just believe in it. That makes it real medicine.
Similarly if you believe in a person so strongly that their hopes and dreams, their pain and joy, their very being matters to you on a deep level then they are real in the only way that matters.
It's like the old thing, "If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one to hear it does it make a noise?" And the answer is that no one gives a damn, but those same people who don't care could devote their hearts and souls to something that never happened. So which one is more real?
I think the question is answered by a question, "Which one has more of an effect on the real world?"
If the characters matter enough to move you they are real.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
The line between real and fiction isn't important, or rather it doesn't exist in the way most people think.
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Similarly if you believe in a person so strongly that their hopes and dreams, their pain and joy, their very being matters to you on a deep level then they are real in the only way that matters.
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If the characters matter enough to move you they are real.
Hi Chris (you don't sound very cynic to me here, BTW
),thank you so much for those statements. Yes, I think that is true. It is just that most people (well, not Browncoats but "ordinary people") don't understand and consider you a bit on the crazy side when you sit in front of your TV set and mumble things like: "Oh no, don't leave" or "Can't you see that she is in love with you, too, you stupid bastard"
But who cares for ordinary people anyway... 
I write a lot of fiction myself and I truely hope that I will someday manage to create characters which become real in that sense.
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Let's talk about the Tams.
(uh-oh, there he goes again!)
Is River real? Or, to put it in another way, am I insane? No, I'm serious. Please, bear with me for a moment.
Clinically speaking, a psychiatrist would probably define "insanity" in terms of no longer being able to distinguish fantasy from reality. Am I, by that definition, insane? No. Because I do not actually believe River Tam is a real-life character (I can't believe I just said that; shudder). And yet I say: "Full well she's real!"
Wait a tick! What was that?
Now, the point I'm driving at, is not that River provides for me a reality which is so strong and fulfilling that, to me, she could be said to be "real". Rather, I mean to say, she's better than real! And that, in point of fact, she's even supposed to be better than real! And that I am very much aware of this; and that I'm very much supposed to be aware of this. :)
River Tam is a mirror; but a very special one: the kind that shows you a better you! It's a favorite theme of mine. Looking into those beautiful wide eyes, I then see what I could be, and what I so very much want to become in the moment. As Nicholson expressed this so well to Helen Hunt, in As Good As It Gets, "You make me want to be a better person!"
Spiritually speaking, is that not the greatest reality of all, the awareness of one's own potential, and ensuing drive towards betterment of the soul? Does not the clinical definition of reality fall so short of this? How barren it is, I say!
When my River's sitting there in her small bedroom aboard Serenity, on the floor, pressed against the wall, like the little mouse that she is, mumbling: "2x2, hands of blue," then there's nothing, I assure you, that's real for me at time; for I find myself elevated to levels of humanity that are, quite frankly, off the scale. At that one moment, for a moment, I become like my own soul, hundreds of years in the future, shiny to the Nth Degree, beaming with a Tenderness, Love and Care that -- if you want to talk reality -- are truly uncharacteristically human in the now.
From such heights, looking down on Earth-That-Was, I say, what gives with reality? I'll take the blue pill! I want to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes! I want RealityPlus; I want the expanse we call the 'verse!
FireFly, and River Tam in particular, of course, makes me want to be a better person. In that sense, I've relinquished my commitment to the reality of my current self. So, maybe I'm insane, after all. :)
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.
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It is just that most people (well, not Browncoats but "ordinary people") don't understand and consider you a bit on the crazy side when you sit in front of your TV set and mumble things like: "Oh no, don't leave" or "Can't you see that she is in love with you, too, you stupid bastard"
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I'm one of those people who goes to a horror movie and screams "NO B!TCH DON'T GO IN THERE! DON'T GO IN THERE! HE GON' GIT YOU!"
"The people who made the show, and the people who saw the show, which is roughly the same number of people, fell in love with it, a little bit too much to let it go, too much to lay down arms when when the battle looked pretty much lost. In Hollywood, people like that are called unrealistic, quixotic, obsessive... In my world, they're called Browncoats."
-Joss Whedon
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Originally posted by shinyfly:
So many moments to choose from...I'm a big Mal/Inara hopeless romantic,
Me too!
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Also I love Train Job when he teases her about "respectable clients". She says "Don't start" when she moves up next to him. You can just see him breathe her in, and she doesn't notice. It always gets to me. I did say I was a hopeless romantic!!
Another one that gets me is the end of HoG where Mal is about to confess his love for her (I think, anyway) and she interrupts to tell him she's leaving. OMG that is so heartbreakingly sad! It really gets me every time. The poor guy has his heart broken twice in one ep.
We're gonna explode? I don't wanna explode!
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