Lets take it into our own hands

POSTED BY: fireflydriven
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 18:02
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LYRAVULPEC

Friday, October 21, 2005 11:51 PM

I think this is worth following up on. We could possibly do a pledge of the fans for what they'd donate before any money leaves anyones hands. Let's see what M.E. says about the shot at doing anything in this fashion. IF it works, we'll be the first ones trying and succeeding at steering the media. I for one would donate to the cause! ... provided there is something more then a contract of word.

Get whatever company to agree in writing they will do this 'if' the fans raise such an ammount... THEN we're on ground to progress!

It's time to soar with this, guys! We just may be able to do something completely different.

"I'm aimin' to misbehave."

"Everybodies a genius in some way or other, just many a folk is doing the wrong job so they looks like idiots!" Lyra

LIMINALOSITY

Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:23 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by DonCoat:
Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see it happen.
I'd like a subscription to Firefly, please.
What's the address?

Chrisisall, ready to fire his money every-which-a-way

Hey yeah
Subscriptions. Like donating to PBS.

I think we'd need to start by saying Joss? Joss? Do you have a PA reading this? Would ya wanna? Send us a mole, a carrier rabbit, email Haken, something.

I'm thinkin' insider guidance in how to even start would be a good thing. But it's gotta because he wants it too, and in a way he'd want to do it.

Can I trade in the children for more cash? -Anya

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:36 AM

This has been tried many many times for many many shows. I'm not a naysayer, and generally get very irritated at naysayers, 'cause I'm just generally kind of ornery. But this won't work.

I would put up $5 per ep, sure, and many people here. But these episodes cost $2 Million a piece to make, and you're not going to raise anywhere near that. A TV runs on a staff of a thousand. "Save Farscape raise some $80,000, and the producers responded with "Oh, isn't that sweet!"

But realistically, you have to channel your energy elsewhere. Like for instance, towards generating fans. spreading around DVD sets, loan them to your friends, firefly parties, make sure everyone sees them. Build online communities, or stuff for firefly fandom to feed on.

It's not an impossible sell, or even a tough one. This is Joss Whedon. That's not like trying to sell a show by pro-pot activist "Boxcar." It's like trying to sell Steven Speilberg. The product sells itself. All you need to do is write people and say, "hey, have you watched this show?"

CUB

Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm not a naysayer, and generally get very irritated at naysayers, 'cause I'm just generally kind of ornery. But this won't work.

Funny.

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"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak."

CMDRSUE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:03 AM

I found this discussion because I was trying to find info on per episode costs for scenarios in an online subscription model. And here everyone is talking about it (and stuff like it)! Does anyone have a clue as to how many subscribers we could likely pull? I'm trying to find out how many copies of the series DVD were sold.

Sue

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:12 AM

WAAH!

I'm very serious, I keep posting this on threads that keep degenerating into this conversation, and no one responds.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL THIS SHOW!!!!!?!???????

Have you people learned absolutely NOTHING in the last four years about Bonnie Hammer!?

Please, Sci-fi is a nightmare. Joss HATES people who tell him to modify content. Not just a little HE REALLY REALLY HATES THEM. So do I.

There is no one who does this more than USA/SCI-FI. I kid you not.

Seems like everyone here is really trying to permanently kill Firefly!

Here are many better ideas than that:

1. Fox. Whoever posts Joss hates Fox, and won't work with them, please forward the URLs of interviews. All I have seen is that he has problems with one person at Fox. That person purposefully sabotaged the show, according to Joss, through their power of program scheduling. Fox can produce things that air elsewhere, which would make this not a problem, and hopefully Joss wouldn't have to deal with this person. Would this be acceptable to him? I think he has many year of working with fox in his past, and correct me if I'm wrong, they've produced everything he's ever made for television.

2. UPN. They aired the last two seasons of Buffy. So why not? UPN only ever made one content recommendation to Joss which was that the fast food advertisers who were paying for the show didn't like the Double Meat Palace thread. Considering they just produced Serenity, Universal is my second choice.

3. WB. They ran five seasons of Buffy and five seasons of Angel without once making a single content recommendation. This is a very not sucking record.

4. Disney/ABC. Okay, this was a more likely posibility with Eisner at the helm, and I generally disdain major networks, but they are still way way way above Bonnie Hammer on my list because they will not pull Joss in by the ears and tell him to alter content, and they will not shortchange his budget or mandate cast changes.

5. Viacom/CBS. I can't stand Viacom, but they're way above NBC's USA/Sci-fi on my list. Politically they're probably likely to like Joss.

6. Showtime. This isn't really a different choice, since they're really partially owned by Viacom CBS, but it's still an excellent choice. They have funded many top notch shows science fiction in the past and have plenty of venues on which to show them.

7. Time Warner/HBO. Another company I have serious problems with, but still way way above Bonnie Hammer. (I don't know this woman at all, so this isn't personal, it's just as a sci-fi fan I have watched her destroy everything I love. The most untouched thing she has is SG-1, bought off of showtime, but hasn't everyone notices a really sharp quality drop and a lot of Hammer-driven show changes?) Any way, this other arm of skull and bones is still a good venue for shows. They've produced a lot of quality content in the past, and will have no time getting it network air time.

FELLOW FANS, PLEASE LISTEN! This is what NBC's USA/Sci-Fi will do. They will cut the budget short, try to trim the production staff, change the cast, and writers, and change the storyline. This is what they have a long record of doing to other shows.

Any one of the above suggestions is a much better idea than lobbying Sci-fi. Budget and meddling-wise the only worse idea I can think of is CBC. Even BBC seems to be backing down on these points with it's new Dr. Who (which is excellent) but they are still admittedly a terrible choice.

Can I get any support here? Does anyone else care about getting pure untainted Joss content? Does anyone care about keeping Joss' full production staff? About the budget? About keeping the current cast?

I may have bitched about Inara's uppitiness in another thread, but I certainly don't want to see Morena pulled from the show and replaced with a cheap copy. And that goes for everyone else on the show, and producing it.

CMDRSUE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:27 AM

All I WANT is pure, untainted Joss, which is why I am trying to figure out the fan supported subscription model. One time fundraising isn't what I'm looking at, but ongoing subscriptions. I figure I pay $12/month just for imdbPro, I'd pay more to support Firefly and/or Mutant Enemy. I think that if anyone had the fanbase to create a new entertainment paradigm it would be Joss Whedon. He should team up with Steve Jobs (cooperation for iSubscriptions) rather than continue dealing with tv exec pinheads.

CmdrSue

BIZZRAT

Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:56 PM

I would donate an arm and a leg to see this on the air again, wether its a new movie or a new tv series. Just get it back. Let me know if we get some kind of funding going here, would be more than happy to put up $100.

"There is now power in the verse' that can stop me!" - River

HOGWAFFLE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:14 PM

So going on with the I have a crazy dream idea.... Anyone else watch that star wars movie that fans alone made on like a 2000 dollar budget?

So here's my crazy idea. Realistically movies are cheaper than shows to make. So for serenity it was 39million right? What if he found amatuer, interns to do the special effects for credit? For just the joy of being involved? Editors, costume designers, caterers, gaffers, lighting techs, ect?

Offer fans who donate enough to be allowed on set as extras, or just allowed to watch a day of filming, walk the ship, maybe meet a satr or joss. Accept anything anyone could offer up for free. Locations, sets, props, ect. There are tons of talented people in the world waiting for an oppertunity to show off what they got.

LA has how many stuggling actors? They could find people who are good to work in new roles for cheap or free I garuntee, especially if their fans.

And the main stars? If we did this, considering that realistically none of them are names, and they all love this project I bet they would be in it for a lower pay for a month.

That's my crazy idea

CONOR

Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:11 PM

you have my vote ffd fan power can be good,anyone else a fan of freeks and geeks it was the fans that got that put onto dvd and a brilliant version like a yearbook with tons of extras came out of it aswell.So if we can get some sort of thing moving it might open a few "powers that be" eyes and who knows?cant hurt and its better than doing nothing.

conor chaney

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