Schism time!
POSTED BY: VisitingMyIntentions
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 20:50
VIEWED: 6843
PAGE 2 of 3
I know I've not been around these parts for very long, but I had to stopp and say something. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion. I would in fact be quite concerend if everyone around here echoed the same thoughts and opinions. I would however, warn against splintering the forces of the Browncoats. Right now, unity if far more important than trying to identify what is canon and what is not. It's not like this movie was Highlander 2 (in relation to its continuity to the first movie, not the rest. ok, maybe that's not the best example). I don't see a lot of hard evidence that makes the movie contradict the series or the comics. They all came from the same source, and he knows where this is going (storywise) better than any of us. But I'm not going to force feed my humble opinion on anyone else. I just think that we will all suffer should your schism take place.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Ballad:Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
The comics & "Serenity" are not canon? That's go sa my friend. Denying something you don't like don't make it any less real. It's Joss' 'verse & we are just visiting.
If accepting the comics & BDM makes me a heretic than call me a heretic.
__________________________________________
I'm with my fellow VA Browncoat on this one. Just because part of the fanbase dislikes Serenity doesn't make it any less Joss's vision for the 'verse. In fact, I think it's MORE Joss's vision than the show was, thanks to less MEDDLING from execs. Mal was more the way Mal was supposed to be (TV Mal would have never left that guy to the Reavers)etc. etc.
So, On On Inquistion! (no one expects the Browncoats' Inquisition!)
--Ballad
Heretics!! That's it--you guys don't get to wear our pretty hats.
In my rejection of Serenity I would call it Joss-written fanfic. It's like if after writing down the Qur'an, Muhammed then decided to write a musical about the ten commandments. ...Well, similar, anyhow.
I like Serenity just fine (bitter Mal is quite interesting), but it varies from the series in significant ways, and so I choose to interpret it as merely fanfic poetic license and say Firefly has the true scoop on things. This approach has its definite plusses, such as being able to continue the Firefly series as normal (I'm a dreamer, see), and
Select to view spoiler:
have Wash and Book be alive, Book and Inara still on the ship (so far)
and that's a seductive idea to me.
I'm still looking for converts, though, or else my inquisition is going to get inquisited in the ass by you folk.
---------------------------------------------------
Early: Where'd she go?
Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
by that reasoning, you'd be condemning the last episode of the series too. You-know-who went splitsville before the movie. If anything you should be praising the movie for bringing you-know-who back.
*slaps on my ruttin' Heretic hat* it may not have a fuzzy ball on top, but it's got horns, and that's cool too. 
"I call her Vera."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The term "Joss written fanfic" is insane. Truly, you must see that.
If we're talking canon, anything with the name of Joss on it is canon, so why not just treat it like all religions do, holler the parts you like and ignore those you don't.
Just consider Firelfy the old testemant and Serenity the new if you must. And remember...
You don't fix faith...it fixes you.
No more religiosity talk!
"I'll be in my bunk."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Sevren:
I know I've not been around these parts for very long, but I had to stopp and say something. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion. I would in fact be quite concerend if everyone around here echoed the same thoughts and opinions. I would however, warn against splintering the forces of the Browncoats. Right now, unity if far more important than trying to identify what is canon and what is not. It's not like this movie was Highlander 2 (in relation to its continuity to the first movie, not the rest. ok, maybe that's not the best example). I don't see a lot of hard evidence that makes the movie contradict the series or the comics. They all came from the same source, and he knows where this is going (storywise) better than any of us. But I'm not going to force feed my humble opinion on anyone else. I just think that we will all suffer should your schism take place.
I can provide you with a list of where Serenity varies, definitively or not, with the series, but that is adamantly not the point. Have you noticed how many bitter threads have sprung up since the movie between those who loved it and those who were unimpressed? That's not unity in my eyes. We browncoats can continue to allign against the heathen forces of darkness and FOX, but among ourselves we don't have to flame each other over some basic issues of theology. Like how the Catholic church rears up in anger when a woman administers the Catholic sacraments, but doesn't lift an eyebrow at all those female Lutheran pastors running around. I think it's easier to unite on our similarities if we acknowledge our differences.
Honestly, though, I was just writing humorously in response to everybody arguing whenever responses to the movie came up. I thought taking it to the ridiculous stage of declaring sects would let us acknowledge we were ridiculous to blame others having simply another fundamental set of criteria, and stop people taking it too serious and leaving snide comments about who was the brownest browncoat of them all.
---------------------------------------------------
Early: Where'd she go?
Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by belasera:
The term "Joss written fanfic" is insane. Truly, you must see that.
If we're talking canon, anything with the name of Joss on it is canon,
But see, that's where we differ, and since I don't think either of us could sway the other on such a basic belief, I think we should acknowledge our differences (heretic!), put on our different hats, and stop arguing that particular topic since it'll never go anywhere but ugly.
---------------------------------------------------
Early: Where'd she go?
Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by pyrefx:
by that reasoning, you'd be condemning the last episode of the series too. You-know-who went splitsville before the movie. If anything you should be praising the movie for bringing you-know-who back.
*slaps on my ruttin' Heretic hat* it may not have a fuzzy ball on top, but it's got horns, and that's cool too.
"I call her Vera."
If you're talking about Inara, then no, she hasn't left at the end of OiS. In fact, she almost kisses Mal. I live in hope that they'll stop being idiots. Mal will admit he's just been jealous all along ...see, HE always wanted to be a Companion, but his parents wouldn't let him, and so he went away to war and got all bitter. Watch-- in scenes alone in his cabin, you can see him trying on nail-polish and pretty silks.
-----------------------------------------------------
MAL: Like woman, I am a mystery.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
well we can't feel too bad, it had to happen...
the fandom of Buffy was split, and split again,
because Joss made MISTAKES...
we can't all expect to agree,
I'm in the 'everything with Joss' name on it is canon camp'
and I figure there is nothing to do but throw
VistingMyIntentions off the board and let him start his own board
for those who want to pick and chose what they think is canon, and ignore the creator
(not getting religious here...but Joss DID create this 'verse)
Haken is, of course the final arbiter on this board...
and I'll bet he is going to ignore this thead...
which I suppose I should have too,
but I'm kind of feeling up for a lynching...
(always knew this icon would come in handy)
**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
So much for that "quiet reflection" Joss wanted from people who didn't like the movie. People, if you didn't like it...do as Joss asked and stfu. You're hurting the movie and making the fanbase look bad. Stop fighting and bashing each other and the movie. The sequel, if there ever is one, some people might come back. Joss might have big scoobie deaths, but no one's gone forever. Sorry if you all hate the movie for stuff that happened in it, but if you don't get why Joss does things, maybe you really don't understand the man or his work.
I liked all of it: the show, comic, movie, and even the RPG. All of it was from Joss. It's all canon..because it is from the source. You people having your little "schisms" are just..I want to hit you people. Seriously. If you didn't like the movie, don't see it anymore, but also keep your mouth shut and stop hurting it by being so negative. Wait till it's out of the box office before you say anything. Let it have it's chance.
-------------------
"Let's move this conversation in a not-Jayne's-fault direction." - Jayne
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Jynk:
So much for that "quiet reflection" Joss wanted from people who didn't like the movie. People, if you didn't like it...do as Joss asked and stfu. You're hurting the movie and making the fanbase look bad. Stop fighting and bashing each other and the movie.
How 'bout you do some quiet reflection about who makes the fan base look bad: the folks who cheerfully agree to disagree, or the folks who say "if you didn't like it...stfu".
Now please, go away; we're trying to have a nice peaceful schism here. You can't fight in here, gentlemen, this is a war room.
...Back to the point: I plan to have a big purple hat with a picture of serenity on the front and a stuffed cow dangling from each side. This will be a sign to the True Believers. I'll post pictures when it gets made.
PS- Yes, Doncoat, that's the scene I mean. And Embers? I'm female. If you must lynch me, at least you could get my gender right.
---------------------------------------------------
Early: Where'd she go?
Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME