A History of Violence, what are people thinking?
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Originally posted by citizen:
How's this Hero?
"But Butch (Buffy?), can't we just make love again? Must you go and fight the baron now?"
"I'm sorry baby, but I must ram this large metal spike through his heart! Have this Pepsi, it's the drink of champions."
"Oh but Butch, must you go now? Maybe your watch is fast?"
"No chance! it's a Casio G-Shock. They're never wrong, and always there when you need them!"
Sounds great. Assuming that "Baby" is female, attractive, and topless. Otherwise its either another 'Bridget Jones' or something gay (not that there's anything wrong with that, but I aint gonna see it...unless they are both lesbians...hot lesbians...then its a summer breakout hit ala American Pie, I mean from the dialogue could be from a big screen 'Buffy' movie so the scene could be between Allison Hannigan and Buffy...let me think on that...mmmmmmm...)
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Never knew how each confrontation would turn out?
You mean you didn't see the kid using the shotgun coming a mile away? You didn't know that every "good" guy would live and the "bad" guys were gonna die? This movie was so predictable they should have just told us the general plot with ticket purchase and then say "you can figure out the rest".
No, I didn't. Maybe that makes me stupid, or you very clever. It didn't seem that there were any guarantees to me. I expected him to come home and find his whole family dead.
"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
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hmmm... I think Americans are really spoiled... We are always looking for a story, a plot, a beginning and a properly wrapped up ending. We want everything packaged up nice and neat, bow-tied, and with a big smile.... Now and then, I think it's refreshing to have a film where you explore a theme or just simply various ideas. I think that sometimes it's ok to just show you somethings and leave it all bare for the viewer to interpret and talk about - little bit more participative I guess... It's different, and not what we are used to mostly because we've always been subjected to the same thing; but we seem to also have been changed by it - i.e. our lives have become very episodic. Our very lives are defined from drama to drama (our own drama, not what you watch on TV). We go from one highlight to the next. eh. We are always trying to squeeze meaning, a story, a defining moment, some explanation - sometimes there just isn't any.
but I guess if you were looking for a story, then you might be disappointed when you don't get one.
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Jasonzzz:
Please give me an example of a great or classic story that didn't have a good plot.
Not a good ending that wraps it up, but a plot is an absolute must. Otherwise your just watching a director masturbate about their greatness for an hour or two.
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Quote:My god, you've got it. Something was missing from Serenity, and I couldn't put my finger on it. Duh! Product placement! If Joss coulda only slipped a can of Pepsi in there somewhere, we'd be rolling in the dough right about now.
Originally posted by Hero:
Personally I think a great movie combines three elements sex, violence, and product placement.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:My god, you've got it. Something was missing from Serenity, and I couldn't put my finger on it. Duh! Product placement! If Joss coulda only slipped a can of Pepsi in there somewhere, we'd be rolling in the dough right about now.
Originally posted by Hero:
Personally I think a great movie combines three elements sex, violence, and product placement.
Pepsi? Please. The future belongs to calorie free Coke products.
'You can't stop the Coke Zero'
Thats the one thing I found not believable about the 'Mr. Universe' character. Guy like that needed ready access to take out and caffinated beverages (product placement opportunity).
They could have had a brand name on the Operative's Sword.
The hoversled they used could have been a Jeep.
Instead of a hand grenade, Jayne could have lamented his lack of a (Hand Grenade Manufacturer Brand Name) hand grenade.
It goes on and on.
Now for sex, there could have been more nudity. You can't tell me in the rough and tumble frontier of the future where there's Whores for them that wants em, there's no nudity. Lets face it, there was more nudity in 'Serenity' the Firefly pilot, then Serenity the Firefly movie. I'm just sayin.
As for violence, I think they had that covered.
What they really needed was a scene that combined all three elements. Naked violent product placement. Thats got no. 1 release written all over it (thinking Resident Evil movies and such).
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You've greatly misunderstood what I said - but it's not surprising. Most Americans grew up being fed nothing but the same idea that every reel of celluloid *must* have some kind of neatly wrapped up story in it. But let me contrast the difference again. If someone's aim is to tell a story on film, then I agree with you that (at least in definition) it ought to be in some sort of story format. But you must realize that films are not only meant to convey stories. And that is what I'm talking about.
Koyaanisqatsi (prolly the entire qatsi series, but this is the one that strikes me the most) is one of the more well known examples. But there any number of films from Hong Kong, Japan, Poland, France, Hungry, etc that do not involve any type of story line. They are simply film to explore a particular aspect of a theme.
Now, whatever you might think about the Director masturbating to his greatness... To me, almost every single film has that element in it as a base to begin with whether you like it or not - you just have to get over that and see what's being delivered.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Jasonzzz:
Please give me an example of a great or classic story that didn't have a good plot.
Not a good ending that wraps it up, but a plot is an absolute must. Otherwise your just watching a director masturbate about their greatness for an hour or two.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
You've greatly misunderstood what I said - but it's not surprising. Most Americans grew up being fed nothing but the same idea that every reel of celluloid *must* have some kind of neatly wrapped up story in it. But let me contrast the difference again. If someone's aim is to tell a story on film, then I agree with you that (at least in definition) it ought to be in some sort of story format. But you must realize that films are not only meant to convey stories. And that is what I'm talking about.
I appologise if I misunderstood. I agree, you don't need a wrapped up story to make a good film. You do need a story though. If your just exploring a theme you need stories (i.e. plot) to convey that theme. Otherwise it's just a slide show. I can honestly say I've never seen a film without any story whatso ever (well okay, maybe Die Hard
).I mean, for instance, your film solely wants to explore the theme of poverty. In order to do that you'll need to have characters who are 'in poverty'. You'll have to follow them through their situation and see what life is like for them. That's you plot. You don't necessarilly have to introduce the characters/situation (i.e. story begginning) or wrap everything up (i.e. traditional style story ending).
I think the missunderstanding is based on our differing definitions of what constitutes a plot/story line.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Now, whatever you might think about the Director masturbating to his greatness... To me, almost every single film has that element in it as a base to begin with whether you like it or not - you just have to get over that and see what's being delivered.
Yesss... but without a storyline that's all you've got
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Serenity 2005 film and another many fans dilsiked as it was a big year contest? A History of Violence is a 2005 action thriller film directed by David Cronenberg, the opening a diner owner maybe seemingly peaceful who lives in the rural town of Millbrook, Indiana, with wife Edie, teenage son Jack, and daughter Sarah. One night, two spree killers attempt to rob the restaurant, a woman threatened with death but Tom deftly kills both robbers with skill and precision...the opening
Tom and Edie, who’ve been married about 20 years, remain very much in love, as the film’s opening sequences – including a graphic sex scene – demonstrate. But then an act of sudden, horrific violence invades the diner that Tom operates, and the slow-to-burn family man responds with lightning reflexes. His heroism turns him into a media celebrity, which causes mobster Carl Fogarty (Harris) to enter his life claiming that Tom is really a lethal killer from Philly named Joey Cusack. Is it a case of mistaken identity or is it really possible for someone to so thoroughly alter their personality or DNA? That’s the kind of thing this movie would have us ponder while watching it unfold. To what degree can a wife ever fully know her husband? And Tom’s teenaged son’s travails with the local high school bully foreshadow the way in which violence perhaps carries over from one generation to the next. And would any of these characters be able to survive if they didn’t have a violent component in their natures? That said, Cronenberg doesn’t stint on violent imagery: We see faces blown off with shotguns, pools of blood, violent sex, and other disturbing images with great regularity. As mobsters, Harris and Hurt create characters that are so deliciously malevolent and original that their performances alone make the movie worthwhile. A History of Violence poses the right question: Are those who don’t study history doomed to repeat it?
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